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售华苏35雷达90公里外发现F35
2015-12-05 10:19 环球时报 11563 收藏
5张俄军又接收4架崭新苏35
俄最大技术企业俄罗斯技术公司总经理谢尔盖·切梅佐夫(Sergey Chemezov)11月19日宣布， 俄中两国已签署24架4++代战机的大合同，合同总额高达20亿美元。
尽管双方从2008年就已开始讨论该合同，但俄方官员的这一声明仍令人颇感意外，因为双方 间技术和财务 问题谈判已进行了约7年时间，目前达成的这一结果说明，不是双方相互做出了妥协，就是受到外部 局势因素的影 响，或者最有可能的是以上两种原因综合所致。
外部因素或产生重要影响
在美国加强亚太地区存在以及日本加强军备计划的背景下，中美间南海冲突的加剧是关于外部局 势产生影响的 第一种可能。在此情况下中国人民解放军空军面临快速提高战斗力的紧迫任务，其中包括海域巡逻能 力。购买苏-35是其最快速、有效的解决方案。据飞机设计者介绍，苏-35与第五代战机的区别仅在于不具备巡航超音速和隐形功能，中国拥有这款俄制过渡型战机就可以具备 与日本 空军即将装备的最新型F-15甚至F-35战机对抗的能力。
外挂两个副油箱、作战半径可达4500千米的苏-35战机可以通过换班的方式对南海进行不间断巡逻。短跑道起降能力也是这款战机相当重要的特点，必 要时中 方可以在南海人工岛屿上部署该战机，发生冲突时将这些岛屿作为固定航母利用。由于中国最新 型第五代战机 歼-20和歼-31的生产尚处于起步阶段，因此苏-35目前可以成为歼-10和歼-11的有效补充。
看看俄罗斯的开发成果
据媒体报道，中方要求在俄制战机上安装中国航电设备的问题曾是阻碍这一交易的主要障碍，但 不太可能会涉 及巡逻南海海域所必须的战机雷达系统。配备在中国苏-35上的Irbis-E雷达是目前世界上最强大的机载雷达控制系统，可以在90千米范围内发现F-35一类战机。中国军事专家刘林川在接受环球网记者采访时指出：Irbis雷达包含先进技术 ，首先 是先进的软件算法。俄罗斯设备往往做得很粗糙，但却具备良好的使用性能。据他介绍，尽管近年 来中国工程师 在研制机载雷达方面取得了显著进展，但仍然有兴趣看看同行的开发成果。此外，中国工程师也 会相当有兴趣 看看俄罗斯的117S型发动机。其改型产品作为第一阶段发动机安装在第五代战机未来战术空 军战斗复合体 (T-50战斗机)，这一事实证明了该动力装置的技术很先进。对自主开发第五代战机的中国来说，俄罗斯的 经验非常 值得借鉴。
俄方的担忧与希望
俄罗斯自然不希望出让自己的技术，而且试图在国际武器市场与中国日益增长的竞争及赚钱的愿 望寻求平衡。 这样面临的就是销售数量问题。24架是俄空军装备苏-35数量的一半。同时，20亿美元的价格也相当可观。相比之下，委内瑞拉正在与俄罗斯就购买合同价 格约为 4.8亿美元的12架苏-30一事进行谈判就显得小多了。苏-35在技术上要优于出售给委内瑞拉的苏-30MK2，但成倍的价格差也能说明许多问题。这里所说的并不是仅仅销售24架配备武器、备件和地面设备 的飞机，而是一定程度上的技术转让。
与此同时，政治因素对俄罗斯也相当重要。俄国家领导人有意识地与中国在技术公开方面拉近关 系，希望中国 能因此成为军事战略盟友。此外，俄方的另一个重要考量是希望刺激苏-35对其他国家的出口。从军工市场的影响来看，这是一款全新产品，需要寻求有实力的新客户。中国可 以起到 很大的加速推广这款战机的作用，例如对印尼出口，取代其过时的美国F5虎式战机。这里指的 是俄罗斯出口 给印尼32架飞机的订单。本文刊载自《环球时报》透视俄罗斯专刊，内容由《俄罗斯报》提供 。
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Sale Hua Su-35 radar 90 kilometers outside the discovery F35
2015-12-05 10:19 Global Times 11563 Favorites
5 Russian has received four new Su-35
Russia's largest technology companies - Russian Technologies Sergei Chemezov, general manager (Sergey Chemezov) on November 19 announced that Russia and China have signed a big contract 24 4 ++ generation fighter, a contract totaling 20 One hundred million U.S. dollars.
Although both sides from 2008 began to discuss the contract, but this statement Russian officials are still a surprising, since the technical and financial issues between the two sides have conducted negotiations about 7 years, the results suggest that the current reach of not to make a compromise between the parties, the situation is affected by external factors, or most likely is caused by Combining the above two reasons.
External factors have an important impact or
In the United States to strengthen the Asia-Pacific region and Japan to strengthen the military presence planned against the backdrop of the South China Sea between China and the US intensified conflict it is the first external situation may have an impact on. In this case, the PLA Air Force, faced with the urgent task of the rapid increase in fighting, including the ability to patrol the waters. Customers who bought "Su-35" is the most rapid and effective solution. According to aircraft designers introduced the distinction between "Su-35" and the fifth-generation fighter that does not have the only supersonic cruise and stealth capabilities, China has this Russian-made fighter transition can have the latest equipment, the Japanese air force soon " F-15 "or" F-35 "fighter fighting capability.
Two external fuel tanks, combat radius of up to 4500 km, "Su-35" fighter can shift the way through the South China Sea uninterrupted patrols. Short track this aircraft taking off and landing capacity is also very important characteristic, if necessary, be able to deploy the aircraft in China on the South China Sea, artificial islands, these islands as a "fixed aircraft carrier" take advantage of a conflict. Since China latest fifth-generation fighter, "J-20" and "J -31" of the production is still in its infancy, so "Su-35" can now become a "J -10" and "-11" effective complement.
Take a look at developments in Russia
According to media reports, the Chinese side demands China issue avionics installation in the Russian-made aircraft was a major obstacle to hinder the deal, but is unlikely to be involved in patrolling the South China Sea must fighter radar system. Provided on China, "Su-35" of "Irbis-E" radar is currently the world's most powerful airborne radar control system, can be found in "F-35" for a class of fighters within 90 km range. Chinese military experts 刘林川 accept the "Global Network" reporter pointed out that: "Irbis radar contain advanced technology, first advanced software algorithms Russian equipment is often done very rough, but with good performance.." According to him, Although in recent years the Chinese engineers have made remarkable progress in terms of the development of airborne radar, but "still interested to see developments counterparts." In addition, Chinese engineers will be very interested to see Russia's "117S" engine. Its modified products as a first stage engine installed in the fifth-generation fighter future tactical air combat complex (T-50 fighters), a fact that proves the power plant technology is very advanced. Fifth-generation fighter for the independent development of China, Russia, the experience is worth learning from.
Russia fears and hopes
Russia naturally does not want to sell their technology, but also trying to find a balance in the international arms market and China's growing competition and the desire to make money. This face is the sales quantity. 24 is half Russian air force, "Su-35" number. Meanwhile, the price of $ 2 billion is also considerable. In contrast, Venezuela is working with Russia on the purchase price of approximately $ 480 million contract for 12 "Su-30" to conduct negotiations becomes smaller. "Su-35" is technically superior to sell to Venezuela, "Su -30MK2", but doubled the price difference can explain many problems. Talking about here is not just selling 24 with weapons, spare parts and ground equipment for aircraft, but a certain degree of technology transfer.
At the same time, political factors are also very important for Russia. Russian leaders have consciously closer relations with China in terms of technology open, hope that China can become a military strategic ally. In addition, another important consideration is to stimulate Russia's "Su-35" export to other countries. From the impact of the military market point of view, this is a new product, you need to have the strength to seek new customers. China can play a significant role in accelerating the promotion of this aircraft, for example, exports to Indonesia to replace its obsolete US "F5 Tiger" fighter. This refers to the Russian exports to Indonesia 32 aircraft orders. Since this article published "Global Times" "perspective of Russia" magazine, content from "offers Russian newspaper."
Click here to view the whole thread at www.sammyboy.com (http://www.singsupplies.com/showthread.php?221190-DEAD-MEAT-F-35-and-all-US-STEALTH-S&goto=newpost).
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售华苏35雷达90公里外发现F35
2015-12-05 10:19 环球时报 11563 收藏
5张俄军又接收4架崭新苏35
俄最大技术企业俄罗斯技术公司总经理谢尔盖·切梅佐夫(Sergey Chemezov)11月19日宣布， 俄中两国已签署24架4++代战机的大合同，合同总额高达20亿美元。
尽管双方从2008年就已开始讨论该合同，但俄方官员的这一声明仍令人颇感意外，因为双方 间技术和财务 问题谈判已进行了约7年时间，目前达成的这一结果说明，不是双方相互做出了妥协，就是受到外部 局势因素的影 响，或者最有可能的是以上两种原因综合所致。
外部因素或产生重要影响
在美国加强亚太地区存在以及日本加强军备计划的背景下，中美间南海冲突的加剧是关于外部局 势产生影响的 第一种可能。在此情况下中国人民解放军空军面临快速提高战斗力的紧迫任务，其中包括海域巡逻能 力。购买苏-35是其最快速、有效的解决方案。据飞机设计者介绍，苏-35与第五代战机的区别仅在于不具备巡航超音速和隐形功能，中国拥有这款俄制过渡型战机就可以具备 与日本 空军即将装备的最新型F-15甚至F-35战机对抗的能力。
外挂两个副油箱、作战半径可达4500千米的苏-35战机可以通过换班的方式对南海进行不间断巡逻。短跑道起降能力也是这款战机相当重要的特点，必 要时中 方可以在南海人工岛屿上部署该战机，发生冲突时将这些岛屿作为固定航母利用。由于中国最新 型第五代战机 歼-20和歼-31的生产尚处于起步阶段，因此苏-35目前可以成为歼-10和歼-11的有效补充。
看看俄罗斯的开发成果
据媒体报道，中方要求在俄制战机上安装中国航电设备的问题曾是阻碍这一交易的主要障碍，但 不太可能会涉 及巡逻南海海域所必须的战机雷达系统。配备在中国苏-35上的Irbis-E雷达是目前世界上最强大的机载雷达控制系统，可以在90千米范围内发现F-35一类战机。中国军事专家刘林川在接受环球网记者采访时指出：Irbis雷达包含先进技术 ，首先 是先进的软件算法。俄罗斯设备往往做得很粗糙，但却具备良好的使用性能。据他介绍，尽管近年 来中国工程师 在研制机载雷达方面取得了显著进展，但仍然有兴趣看看同行的开发成果。此外，中国工程师也 会相当有兴趣 看看俄罗斯的117S型发动机。其改型产品作为第一阶段发动机安装在第五代战机未来战术空 军战斗复合体 (T-50战斗机)，这一事实证明了该动力装置的技术很先进。对自主开发第五代战机的中国来说，俄罗斯的 经验非常 值得借鉴。
俄方的担忧与希望
俄罗斯自然不希望出让自己的技术，而且试图在国际武器市场与中国日益增长的竞争及赚钱的愿 望寻求平衡。 这样面临的就是销售数量问题。24架是俄空军装备苏-35数量的一半。同时，20亿美元的价格也相当可观。相比之下，委内瑞拉正在与俄罗斯就购买合同价 格约为 4.8亿美元的12架苏-30一事进行谈判就显得小多了。苏-35在技术上要优于出售给委内瑞拉的苏-30MK2，但成倍的价格差也能说明许多问题。这里所说的并不是仅仅销售24架配备武器、备件和地面设备 的飞机，而是一定程度上的技术转让。
与此同时，政治因素对俄罗斯也相当重要。俄国家领导人有意识地与中国在技术公开方面拉近关 系，希望中国 能因此成为军事战略盟友。此外，俄方的另一个重要考量是希望刺激苏-35对其他国家的出口。从军工市场的影响来看，这是一款全新产品，需要寻求有实力的新客户。中国可 以起到 很大的加速推广这款战机的作用，例如对印尼出口，取代其过时的美国F5虎式战机。这里指的 是俄罗斯出口 给印尼32架飞机的订单。本文刊载自《环球时报》透视俄罗斯专刊，内容由《俄罗斯报》提供 。
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Sale Hua Su-35 radar 90 kilometers outside the discovery F35
2015-12-05 10:19 Global Times 11563 Favorites
5 Russian has received four new Su-35
Russia's largest technology companies - Russian Technologies Sergei Chemezov, general manager (Sergey Chemezov) on November 19 announced that Russia and China have signed a big contract 24 4 ++ generation fighter, a contract totaling 20 One hundred million U.S. dollars.
Although both sides from 2008 began to discuss the contract, but this statement Russian officials are still a surprising, since the technical and financial issues between the two sides have conducted negotiations about 7 years, the results suggest that the current reach of not to make a compromise between the parties, the situation is affected by external factors, or most likely is caused by Combining the above two reasons.
External factors have an important impact or
In the United States to strengthen the Asia-Pacific region and Japan to strengthen the military presence planned against the backdrop of the South China Sea between China and the US intensified conflict it is the first external situation may have an impact on. In this case, the PLA Air Force, faced with the urgent task of the rapid increase in fighting, including the ability to patrol the waters. Customers who bought "Su-35" is the most rapid and effective solution. According to aircraft designers introduced the distinction between "Su-35" and the fifth-generation fighter that does not have the only supersonic cruise and stealth capabilities, China has this Russian-made fighter transition can have the latest equipment, the Japanese air force soon " F-15 "or" F-35 "fighter fighting capability.
Two external fuel tanks, combat radius of up to 4500 km, "Su-35" fighter can shift the way through the South China Sea uninterrupted patrols. Short track this aircraft taking off and landing capacity is also very important characteristic, if necessary, be able to deploy the aircraft in China on the South China Sea, artificial islands, these islands as a "fixed aircraft carrier" take advantage of a conflict. Since China latest fifth-generation fighter, "J-20" and "J -31" of the production is still in its infancy, so "Su-35" can now become a "J -10" and "-11" effective complement.
Take a look at developments in Russia
According to media reports, the Chinese side demands China issue avionics installation in the Russian-made aircraft was a major obstacle to hinder the deal, but is unlikely to be involved in patrolling the South China Sea must fighter radar system. Provided on China, "Su-35" of "Irbis-E" radar is currently the world's most powerful airborne radar control system, can be found in "F-35" for a class of fighters within 90 km range. Chinese military experts 刘林川 accept the "Global Network" reporter pointed out that: "Irbis radar contain advanced technology, first advanced software algorithms Russian equipment is often done very rough, but with good performance.." According to him, Although in recent years the Chinese engineers have made remarkable progress in terms of the development of airborne radar, but "still interested to see developments counterparts." In addition, Chinese engineers will be very interested to see Russia's "117S" engine. Its modified products as a first stage engine installed in the fifth-generation fighter future tactical air combat complex (T-50 fighters), a fact that proves the power plant technology is very advanced. Fifth-generation fighter for the independent development of China, Russia, the experience is worth learning from.
Russia fears and hopes
Russia naturally does not want to sell their technology, but also trying to find a balance in the international arms market and China's growing competition and the desire to make money. This face is the sales quantity. 24 is half Russian air force, "Su-35" number. Meanwhile, the price of $ 2 billion is also considerable. In contrast, Venezuela is working with Russia on the purchase price of approximately $ 480 million contract for 12 "Su-30" to conduct negotiations becomes smaller. "Su-35" is technically superior to sell to Venezuela, "Su -30MK2", but doubled the price difference can explain many problems. Talking about here is not just selling 24 with weapons, spare parts and ground equipment for aircraft, but a certain degree of technology transfer.
At the same time, political factors are also very important for Russia. Russian leaders have consciously closer relations with China in terms of technology open, hope that China can become a military strategic ally. In addition, another important consideration is to stimulate Russia's "Su-35" export to other countries. From the impact of the military market point of view, this is a new product, you need to have the strength to seek new customers. China can play a significant role in accelerating the promotion of this aircraft, for example, exports to Indonesia to replace its obsolete US "F5 Tiger" fighter. This refers to the Russian exports to Indonesia 32 aircraft orders. Since this article published "Global Times" "perspective of Russia" magazine, content from "offers Russian newspaper."
Click here to view the whole thread at www.sammyboy.com (http://www.singsupplies.com/showthread.php?221190-DEAD-MEAT-F-35-and-all-US-STEALTH-S&goto=newpost).