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[JonesKnows]

Man United v Leicester

SCORE PREDICTION: 3-1

[lacoruna69]

Originally Posted by ilovepantyhose

its not entirely hojlund's fault, supply to him is limited as all 4 wingers style are mostly attack the flank, then cut back to penalty spot area (hojlund already in 6yd box by then), or cut to strong foot and shoot, maybe 1-2 times out of 10 they cross into the box. if hojlund had the supply from beckham giggs like RVN did, he would be scoring loads too one recurring issue is the poor quality of the final ball when attacking, must practise until they can do it with their eyes closed

so many issues to resolve, amorim plate will be overflowing when he starts

Yes, this is what I observe. I always presume it is Hojlund's bad positional sense. I'm not sure how they trained strikers nowadays.
I ever read somewhere in an old soccer magazine that the great Jürgen Klinsmann says in his youth training days, he was blind-folded in the box and will need to use his natural instinct and hearing sense to attack the ball when it comes in.
If the wingers dun want to supply crosses, no point playing out and out striker. Slow-poke Zirkzee also admits he is a 9.5 forward. Meaning will drop back for link-up play.
Might as well slot in extra midfielder to beef up the middle of the park.
Move Bruno up as false nine since he is cannot defend type.

Throw Zirkzee back to Serie A since he will be redundant.

[ilovepantyhose]

Originally Posted by lacoruna69

Yes, this is what I observe

for man u, the inverted winger sort of started with januzaj, and then rashford. the standard moves were to run directly at opponent, try to beat him with dribbling or with pace; if attack down the flank in the penalty area, he would try to shoot from a tight angle, if cannot then try to square pass or cut back; if the winger dribble and cut the ball to strong foot, its to shoot (like the usual rashford move). the winger also had the option to pass to teammate who overlapped to create overload at the flank

but under ETH, he go and invert the fullbacks and end up nobody overlapping to provide an option out wide for the inverted winger. so its very easy to defend against, just put 2 players on the winger, if dribble will find himself 1v2, if shoot also likely will be blocked, so more often than not, he passed backwards. the burden on the winger is huge because he is expected to conjure something magical all on his own when the ball is passed to him. in theory inverting the fullbacks sounds nice as man u can overload the midfield, but in reality, their flanks were so exposed whenever they lose the ball, sigh ETH too stubborn to adjust his tactics

now under RVN, the fullbacks are back to being traditional, where they operate on their flank, and also overlap to provide an option for the winger. BUT BUT BUT both rashford garnacho aren't the tracking back type, so the fullbacks cannot overlap all the time like G.nev evra did

because of the inverted winger fad, the role of the SC has changed, rather than being the focal point where teammates pass to him and he score goals, he has become someone to startup an attack, usually to hold up the ball, and quick release to open teammate. hojlund's current game is more of that, and making runs to drag defenders out of posn. if want hojlund to score goals, it means that man u cannot invert their wingers and must play them as traditional so that they can provide crosses into the box. it also mean man u transfer policy is self contradicting as they sign inverted wingers and traditional SC and expect them to be effective... in football manager game lah maybe

still too early to judge zirkzee, gotta give him time to adapt

[ilovepantyhose]

leicester will be fielding a full strength side to try and get a result at OT. RVN will restore de ligt martinez as his central DC pair, amad has a knock vs PAOK, hope he can recover in time to face leicester. i would prefer rashford as AML as garnacho still inconsistent with final product

both teams form are soso, hope man u can make full use of home ground advantage to go for a win as RVN interim period comes to an end

[asiancigar]

Originally Posted by JonesKnows

Man United v Leicester

SCORE PREDICTION: 3-1

TOTALLY CONCUR !!!!!!!

[lacoruna69]

Originally Posted by ilovepantyhose

for man u, the inverted winger sort of started with januzaj, ..........

still too early to judge zirkzee, gotta give him time to adapt

Thank you very much for the concise explanation of inverted wingers/fullbacks.

I went to youtube to see some videos on inverted wingers, to understand better.

My mind still frozen in the Beckham/Gigga era....I guess.

So the bald head somehow got it wrong as he wants the fullback to do the inversion technique.

But it appears things aren't going well and the goals somehow aren't happening.

Maybe will need genius Amorim to figure how best fit all the players in a new system/formation.

[ilovepantyhose]

Originally Posted by lacoruna69

My mind still frozen in the Beckham/Gigga era....I guess.

haha same for me too, the system under SAF was simple and effective, plus he had good players who can consistently perform. when u watch the video of RVN goals for man u, many came from beckham giggs, the quality of beckham crosses are a SC wet dream

how to negate inverted winger? maybe can play 5-4-1, sit deep and compact, deny space of winger, and play on the counter. inverted wingers like salah, saka, foden are devastating when given space

amorim might get a culture shock when he sees first hand how aggressively PL teams high press their opponents, he gotta be flexible and come up with a way to bypass opponent high press

[Rickey]

Originally Posted by asiancigar

TOTALLY CONCUR !!!!!!!

It's half time n it's 2-0 to the Red Devils...the captain scoring a brace...Leicester could hv hit back with 2 of their own but for some good defending from the reds...it is still very precarious for them as Leicester is capable of scoring on the break if they hv better strikers like Bruno Fernandes...the 1st half red pussies passing not so good losing control of the ball n allowing Leicester to attack back...the pubor kia gave away a few free kicks to Leicester near their penalty area ...luckily they couldn't score

Let's see how the 2nd half...the blues came out to a flying start attacking the red pussies

[Rickey]

Originally Posted by JonesKnows

Man United v Leicester

SCORE PREDICTION: 3-1

So close ! ..Jones nearly always knows ...n the Red Devils win 3-0 ...the last goal by the genius of a strike from just outside the Leicester box into the far corner of the net by none other than the super sub Garnacho

The glory days r starting to cum back hopefully....thanks to interim manager RVN ....GGMU !!

[lacoruna69]

FT : Man U 3-0 Leicester

(13th in the table)

Would say it is pretty solid performance.
RvN started Amad which is a good choice. His lovely backheel pass led to Bruno's opener. He could have got on the scoresheet later with that mazy dribble, but he shot straight at Hermansen

At least the approach going forward is there, which culminates into 3 goals.
Can see the players work hard to get back the ball once they lost it.
Simple and direct under RvN.
Consecutive clean sheet for Onana as well.

The league will take an international break, there after Amorim will take over.
Amorim will bring along his own coaching staff, so will RvN be forced out?

[asiancigar]

NO THANKS TO ETH, DESPITE ALL OF RvN'S BRILLIANT SHORT MANAGEMENT SPELL, WE ARE STILL LYING 13TH .....

[Marmots]

We shall have a new start. Again.
Much thanks to RvN for steadying the ship when it was needed.
RvN wants to be Man Utd manager for the long term sometime in the future.
At this point, I sincerely hope not.
Cause the only way he's coming back in, can only be the way Amorim came in, previous manager sacked.

Amorim first match will be away to Ipswich, who lies 17th in the table(could have been us there if ETH was still around).
Hard to ask for a better start, unless it was at home ground.
State of Man Utd now is nothing less than a win is needed.

Next match after is at home to Bodø/Glimt, who lies at 12th, 3 places above Man Utd, with 1 point more.
Need another win.
Opponents may not be the toughest, but the expectations will weigh heavy on him.

Amorim brings with him a sport scientist, hope that significantly helps to alleviate the injury problems.

I wonder if Amorim will continue with 4-2-3-1 that the Man Utd squad is familiar with, or wholesale into 3-4-3.
He is nothing if not practical, and most incoming managers tend to play to the squad's strength than to go straight into new formations.

All that said, Amorim's task is heavy, and it is hard.
Even if we finish outside top 10 this season, he can't be blamed.

Nonetheless, I look for any regulars to go the distance with me.
If We win the Europa League, or finish in Top 2(3?) in the EPL, lets go DONOR (again)

[ilovepantyhose]

Originally Posted by lacoruna69

RvN started Amad which is a good choice.

the way amad fights for the ball shows alot of desire, he isn't afraid to go head to head with opponent, man u need the squad to be gritty like him. is he a possible candidate as RWB under amorim? maybe can experiment during training sessions, he certainly needs to train up his defensive abilities though. ugarte is also slowly growing into his role as DMC, he was all over the field, pressing, breaking up plays, and showing his "bite". the midfield has more bite now due to amad ugarte, can do with one more as man u needs to be like arsenal of the 90s/00s (a combo of steel and flair) and stop being a laughing stock

gotta kpkb about dalot again, he had a poor game last night, allowing his opponent go past several times, conceded fouls near the box, and the WTF moment at 27' where he switched off, failed to track ndidi run, then played him onside and basically gave up. ironically, its ndidi who bailed him out because he couldn't finish. dalot needs to be dropped, which is why suggest amad to be RWB, amorim cannot pang chance just because fellow countrymen, only select him as last resort

hojlund might get affected by the lack of supply and lack of goals, maybe amorim can instruct more crosses to be put in (mazraoui cross into the box is a nightmare to deal with and leicester own goal). hojlund can train to be the designated pen taker

garnacho gave attitude despite scoring, he needs the senior squad members to temper and keep him grounded

RVN style is influenced by SAF, move the ball forward with purpose, dun force the issue & reset if necessary, fullbacks overlap, cross into box, close down deny opponent space, teammates help to cover the posn if one is out of posn. RVN record is a respectable P4 W3 D1 L0, we thank him for steadying the ship following ETH departure. its uncertain whether RVN will stay on at man u, but really hope that he does so that he can work with the strikers and impart his experience to them

although unbeaten in 4 games, man u cannot rest on their laurels become complacent otherwise its just another false dawn and same drama will replay 2yrs later

[ilovepantyhose]

Originally Posted by Marmots

I wonder if Amorim will continue with 4-2-3-1 that the Man Utd squad is familiar with, or wholesale into 3-4-3.

the international break ends 19nov, the players need a day for travel, so the entire squad will meet with amorim for the 1st time on 21nov earliest? i think amorim will switch to 3-4-3 immediately because man u will be playing 9 games in Dec, so ipswich and bodo glimt games will be like "trial" to work out the kinks, and the squad also need a "clean break" from ETH era

how will amorim's man u look like? for now evans will be the middle DC as maguire yoro are still out; amad as RWB who can attack down the right flank or cut in; fernandes has some freedom to roam despite at inside right, he can overlap amad and provide crosses, or he can drop deeper and it becomes 3-4-1-2; rashford on the left to attack the flank or cut in; mazraoui provide overlap option for rashford or he can cross into the box. the 3-4-3 can be fluid and flexible to become 3-4-2-1 or 3-4-1-2 depending on opponent. i do foresee one problem: how high amorim wants to play his defensive line because the current DCs are not the fastest, we shall see if his system is suitable for english football *pray hard to footballing gods*