ShangHai Recommendation!

[shengge]

Originally Posted by shanghaitan

Hi Brother Shengge,
What do you like to do during weekends? I'm usually home and at most be doing some light shopping.. Shanghai is way too crowded.. Xiang Yang is a good place to go to.. or Cheng Huang Miao.. or you might want to visit Coffee Beans and Tea Leaf near Raffles City... just a a relaxing time.. drink coffee or tea and watch the world pass you by..
Shanghaitan

Just want to find out where do most people go on weekends, I have not been a good tour guide when friends visited me. Normally stay at home. Xiangyang Road is not a place for me, I am not good at bargaining, especially with lady.
Still trying to learn from the veteran here.

Sad to say, I hardly go to people's park, only 2-3 times a year. I am more familair with Xujiahui area.

Thanks.

[shanghaitan]

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[shanghaitan]

Hi Brother PuTongRen,

You're right to ask "What is Market Rate?"! Agreed that there are no clear-cut figures. And I agree when you mentioned about tipping.

But I feel that tipping is something above and beyond the actual price.. example.. a bowl of chicken rice (SGD 2.50) but if you feel the service is good and responsive, you might say pay SGD 3.00 and walk off, telling them to consider it as tips.. (though this does not usually happen in our hawker center context but I'm a hawker center going person so that's the only food pricing I know.. :P) There is still a base price.. ie. SGD 2.50.. right?

Likewise when dealing with these "providers", we usually know that the basic cost is room charge+sauna(maybe)+massage(maybe)+additonal sevices... then whatever tip you want to offer when the "providers" ask for more.. right?

My mistake asking for accuracy in the pricing.. Sorry... I'm actually referring to guideline figures... eg for Health Centers, Hair Salons, KTVs, FL etc etc... how much more we actually give will be directly proportionate to how we "feel" at the end of the session. Some brothers might expect more, thus in the end not that satisfied, others who have never tried it, it might just turn out to be the most mind-blowing experience ever.. so each will pay differently, but definitely not less than the basic.. right?

How's the Kunming trip so far? Fruitful?

Cheers!
Shanghaitan

[PuTonRen]

Dear Brother Shanghaitan,

Your argument by looking from the angle of "Basic Price" is sensible and intelligent indeed. Basic cost or Basic Price does differ from places to places You are a just person in making your view. Thank you.

What I do not quite enjoy in this forum is that when someone was kind enough to make a FR, what he received would be comments like "Spoiling the market;" "You are stupid to pay so much,".... etc. This does not apply necessary to me (I care less anyway). Talking about market rate, I know of two brothers who were the preachers of market rate". Taking the case of one of them as illustration. Three years ago, one evening, we went to a KTV, both of us brought back a lady. As usual, the next day, we talked about the adventure. He said that the lady (Miss X, say) only asked for RMB 800. Knowing that in Shanghai, normally, an One-Shot would cost between RMB 1200 to 1500 (Again, some brothers can claim that they have paid only RMB 1000), that was not expensive. I trusted my friend. Was that really the truth? No, he revealed himself one evening (maybe one glass too much) that he paid RMB 1500, the usual rate. Well, this is the reason why I said some brothers migh quote lower price as this is the matter of face.

I totally agree with you view of Basic Cost. This is the reason why, whenever I was in a place that I was not familiar at all, I would ask what would be the minimum charges. I took the service only when I agree to it. For the case in hand in Kunming, I did talk to some taiwanes friends who were here before, They told me that depending on the quality of the girls, never pay beyond RMB 1500. They said that the usual damage would be RMB 1200 minimum. Well, as I had said that I liked the girl, the service was good, I paid what she was worth. Frequently, many brothers here quoted only the short-time service in the hotel room and started to make comparison. They have forgotten about the amount they have paid in the KTV. If we do that, we will find that the amount that I have paid will not be excessive. I am not defending myself, but just to make a point.

In the old days, even in Beijing, outside Kunlun Hotel, we can get street walkers for RMB 300, and even cheaper when it was getting late. I do think I would even attempt to put my organ into their bodies. You want cheap, of course in Kunming, I could have gotten a street walker near the hotel, the two girls who approached them told me that RMB 300 for one-short and RMB 500 for overnight. Granted that at time we would get a gem, however, the service girls that they have shown me, although from far, looked more like Country girl (Cun Gu) one one hand, and did not appeal to me on the other hand.

Well, I always enjoy your writing and openness. Please continue writing to continue the discussion. Do read the Kuming-China thread to learn the comments made by other brothers of the forum, and of course, my reply to them.

With best regards

My $14.97 worth

[PuTonRen]

Brother Shanghaitan,

You ask about my Kunming trip. Thank for the concern. So far it has been quite good. Making new friends and having a better understanding on the business climate here. I am not sure we will venture into this new territory, it would have to wait and see. We shall talk more about this when we meet face to face next year in Shanghai. If you do come back to Singapore, please do PM me, we can talk over a meal.

Oh yes, like many brothers here, you have mis-spelt my nick, it is PuTonRen in one word. It has always been written as Pu Ton Ren which is correct in Pinying to mean ordinary person. Maybe I just wanted to be special. Haha..

With warmest regards in Kunming. It is real cold here.

[colourwolfy]

Have been away for a few days and see quite alot of people apologizing. Well we are all (hopefully) open people, right? Take it easy... too bad I'm not stationed in China and don't get to travel as often. But my day will come and then we'll meet.

Sorry... couldn't stop laughing when I saw the message below.. I know it's not intentional, but still hilarious.. HAHAHA

Originally Posted by shengge

With your wife? Good then.
So any nice place to recommend for weekends?

Can't agree more with bro Putonren on the pricing thing. Who is it that sets the "market rate" anyway? If I'm really happy, I can be very generous. Otherwise, I'd think one penny is too much. Just like when I'm in China, my friend could not believe I bargained from one hot pita for 3 yuan to two for 5 yuan. That 1 yuan difference is only S$0.20 ... but you are free to determine what you "think" is reasonable and are willing to pay for. We can each give our own opinion of what we are willing to pay, but in my opinion there's no such thing as "market rate".

Hope you have a good time in Kunming. The Bai minority girls are known to be beautiful. Don't know if you can get one?


Colourwolfy

[shanghaitan]

Dear Brother PuTonRen,
Sorry to have mis-spelt your name.. Not intentional and not meant to be disrespectful.

When you come back to Shanghai, maybe we can arrange a gathering.... tea tasting session? Hmmm...

Sincerely,
Shanghaitan...Feverish but still have to work.....

[shengge]

Dear Bro oldboy,
How are you?
How was the visit to YPH HC?
Suppose to bring a customer there last week, ended up the OKT recommended me another place, as the business was stopped for a few days.

Hai Lang (Sea Wave) HC (next to Hai Luo Hotel)
Located at Zhong Shan West Road near to Wuzhong Road.
Same service and price as YPH, RMB600.

Facilities : 7.5
Gal : From Hubei
Age : 23
Vital Stat : One handful, nothing wasted
Skin : smooth and fare
BBJ : 8.5
BJ : 8 (hanging herself upside down to blow)
FJ : 7.5
Overall : 8 (very hardworking gal)
extra : a rose tatoo on above her pubic hair

Comment : to try her again, as the red 'rope' (cloth) she brought was not used, got to see what stunt she will perform.

Bro Jameskhoa you can prob ask your friend to go, just less than 2 km away from Galaxy hotel.

Cheers!

[PuTonRen]

Originally Posted by shanghaitan

Dear Brother PuTonRen,
Sorry to have mis-spelt your name.. Not intentional and not meant to be disrespectful.

When you come back to Shanghai, maybe we can arrange a gathering.... tea tasting session? Hmmm...

Sincerely,
Shanghaitan...Feverish but still have to work.....

Brother Shanghaitan,

Actually, I pointed out the error with amusement. You are not the only brother who spell my nick that way. Many of them did and still do. This is my fault as the corrent pinying should have been what you have used previously. Please do not take it seriously.

Yes, I shall PM you when I go back to Shanhgai for a tea appreciation session. I am trying to to drink at all, as my system is quite worm out already, further alcohol intake would accelerate the ageing process.

Regards from Kunming at 7 degree C (better than yesterday)

[Looksee]

Originally Posted by PuTonRen

Regards from Kunming at 7 degree C (better than yesterday)

Sorry to side track a little. Uncle PTR, we'll be heading down to base camp this friday to finish the balance.......

can i join in the tea appreciation session with u guys?

[PuTonRen]

Originally Posted by Looksee

Sorry to side track a little. Uncle PTR, we'll be heading down to base camp this friday to finish the balance.......

can i join in the tea appreciation session with u guys?

Brother Looksee,

Since when you call me Uncle PTR? Wah lao! I know I am old, but can still, right.

Sigh.. Talking about base camp, I miss the session already. It was fun to be with you all back home. Look like I have to buy rubber-bands here. Alone here, difficult to cheong man. I might try the street walkers one of these nights before I become heavily relying on Rubber Bands or "Left hand on the wall, right hand.....".

Chop one NTTL MeiMei for me for the Christmas Eve Session.

Regards from Kunming at 7 degree C.

[Looksee]

Originally Posted by PuTonRen

Brother Looksee,

Since when you call me Uncle PTR? Wah lao! I know I am old, but can still, right.

Sigh.. Talking about base camp, I miss the session already. It was fun to be with you all back home. Look like I have to buy rubber-bands here. Alone here, difficult to cheong man. I might try the street walkers one of these nights before I become heavily relying on Rubber Bands or "Left hand on the wall, right hand.....".

Chop one NTTL MeiMei for me for the Christmas Eve Session.

Regards from Kunming at 7 degree C.

Saw your post at the Kunming thread, u seems to be enjoying yourself....

If u run out of rubber band and tired of mimi and lulu, can always go and buy sotong. But must remember to remove the head.

Waiting to catch up with u on christmas Eve session.....

regards from Singapore at 29 degree C.

[psyche]

hi all,

i am new to Shanghai.

May i know where is a good and reasonable place for massage and place to go for KTV? I heard the ones in the city center are really expensive. The prices in Shanghai is so much higher than Chang Ping, Zhu Hai, etc. Am trying to spend less but have a fair bit of fun in Shanghai. The gals along Hengshan Lu hanging out in the pub are fairly old.


Any kind recommendations?


Regards,

Psyche

[Harrier24B]

Originally Posted by PuTonRen

Dear Brothers,

Your acceptance of my postings and reading are the best rewards of my minor effort in writing those rather long postings. About writing a ten-year series, it will be quite an effort. Actually, I have written some during the old Sammyboy Fourm hosted by Delphi, it will be nice if I can get them back and post here. I will continue to write as far as there are readers, even if they flame me, as I believe that they must have done it with a reason, which can be good one that I can absorb and improve myself.

I am now in Kunming, alone in my hotel room writing this post. Just down, when coming back from dinner, I was approached by these two 15/16 year old girls asking me whether I need companion. What a world now! at such a age, they start pimping for others. As I am an old man, I very seldom go for street walkers now/ More over, I have a day long presentation and discussion to go tomorrow, and need to preserve some energy. So I told them "No, my wife is upstair" to cut off their persistence.

Any brothers here have the most updated information about Kunming, other than those posted by Brother gigantic_?? Please share, and I promise you I shall write a report.

I might go for a good rub at the Tian Zi Suana Center in the hotel, and see how it goes.

With best regards from Kunming.

My $15.01 worth

Hi Bro,

I dunno if it's too late, I just got back from Kunming last week and there's a good place to cheong:

Tien Heng Da Jiu Dian - there's a KTV / Nite Club on the 5th floor where the girls are quite solid......but must bargain the overnight as there does not seem to have a 'market price'.....

There's also a health centre on 6th floor (or issit 4th floor, indicated on lift), which offers 'FULL PACKAGE' at RMB 800 or the 'European style' which consists 45 mins PROPER MASSAGE and 45mins of breast rub and HJ.....c/w free food, big TV room and sauna...for RMb 380 (inclusive of tips)...IT WAS quite an interesting experience and the girls i tried (no2. 27 and nos. 57) were quite friendly and service quite good....

Hope this helps.......

Btw, I'll be arriving in Qingdao on 15th Dec and will be in Shanghai on 17th......so any bros wanna catch up, pm me...

Cheers,

[PuTonRen]

Dear Brother,

Thank you for sharing. I shall try the places that you have indicated. In fact, yesterday during late afternoon, I rented a taxi to go around Kunming city, and asked the driver to show me the good joints. We have gone pass the place that you have mentioned, I think it is along Deng Feng Lu (??).

I went to one yesterday evening and had a Chongqing lady. I shall post a FR in the Kunming-China thread later after my meetings, or maybe tomorrow as there is an official dinner this evening.

Keep up the spirit of sharing, Brother.

My $14.98 worth