ShangHai Recommendation!

[SGPshanghai69]

Originally Posted by PuTonRen

Dear Bro SGPShanghai69,

I am glad that you like my humble FR on my lucky encounter. The brothers in Shanghai seems to have ignored my nick: Pu Tong Ren, that I have shorten it to be PuTonRen (8 characters mah!), which means Commoner or Simple Man.

Remember I told you before that, for every success story, there are perhaps 10 encounters that are failures.

In China, One can never be too careful, and neither nor be too humble.

PTR, your humble friend, always.

Hi Big Bro PTR,
Of cuz we bros here all remembered your nick....PTR aka Putongren....yet simple as it sounds but still projected a idol to us all!
Simple yet efficient to many successful sessions with the NTTLs mei-meis.....

True that all stories comes with hard & tough in the begining big bro, yet yours is becoming a legend to most bros here being that your constant FRs on the successful NTTL mei-meis encounters are here for all to view!

Keep the good FRs coming big bro! Pai seh are you as you said? Buy us all good tea when the next time round we meet up big bro......Tea Appreciation we have yet to learn from you as yet big bro!

Till then, have another good trip to the Great Northern part and do post your 'akan datang' explicit FRs here with the tall, NTTL Northern gals bro.

Cheers big bro.
Best regards from Sunny Shanghai...........

[PuTonRen]

Originally Posted by SGPshanghai69

Hi Big Bro PTR,
Of cuz we bros here all remembered your nick....PTR aka Putongren....yet simple as it sounds but still projected a idol to us all!
Simple yet efficient to many successful sessions with the NTTLs mei-meis.....

True that all stories comes with hard & tough in the begining big bro,

Till then, have another good trip to the Great Northern part and do post your 'akan datang' explicit FRs here with the tall, NTTL Northern gals bro.

Dear Bro SGPShanghai69,

Since I have more stories on failures than successes, I think I shall start writing about my current failures. They would be meant to warn others about pit falls, and at the same time to dis-spell the title that you have bestowed on me.

I am not sure about the North as the weather is "dry" and cold, unlike Chongqing, which is "Hot" and "Wet". Hahahaha.....

Have so many failure stories relating to Northern girls, sigh... Bro JC knows about those bad encounters as well, I am not sure whether I can write good FR's. Nevertheless, do stay tuned for stories on my bad encounters. Hahahaha, until I go Sichuan again next month or so.

With best regards from Home Land

PTR


p.s. where is my light house of Shanghai? Bro shengge?

[shengge]

Originally Posted by PuTonRen

Have so many failure stories relating to Northern girls, sigh...

where is my light house of Shanghai? Bro shengge?

Dear Bro PTR,
What do you mean by failure stories? Bcos you failed to get additional bonks or keep them for another one~two occasions....or ...

How can I help you? I got nothing much to offer lately, so tiam tiam lor!

Enjoy!

[Hrjames]

Will be going to Shanghai for business this week and staying near Pudong, wish to have some advise for good KTV in shanghai, any bro kindly advise the name of the KTV and contacts? Thanks.

[luvgangsta]

Beginner's guide to the KTV experience in Shanghai - Part 1/2

Many reading this forum will already have some sort of KTV experience in China. Shanghai, being one of the most expensive cities in china offers up a wide range of KTV experiences ranging from sleazy to super highclass with costs ranging from economical to bills making an investment banker blush. I will try to post some information from the most basic to Shanghai-specific here. So experienced readers please bear with me. I have learnt a lot from friends outside and inside of this forum. I would like to summarize what I know so far for newbies. Bear with me all the other bros.

Before I start, I wish to put forth a disclaimer. I am a customer and I do not work in any of the establishments mentioned in the following post. There are some establishments that you, as a reader, may think I am biased to. That is natural as this is personal experience but I am in no way profitting, directly or indirectly, from any statements posted in this post. You may get a different experience from some of these places because of the lack of rapport. Depending on when you read this, situations, ownerships and pricing may have changed in some of the places mentioned. By continuing to read this post you, as a reader, agrees to indemnify and hold me harmless against any expense, liability, loss, claim or proceedings whatsoever arising from actions taken based on the information contained herein.

What is KTV - you want any hostesses with that?

Karaoke TeleVision. A term coined by japanese (or taiwanese?), KTV refers to singing into a microphone to words posted on a television screen. There KTVs here in Shanghai that is family style, catered to people who just wants to sing – you can distinguish this type of KTV with the “Liang Ban 量版”(bulk version) or “Lian Ge Chang 练歌场” (song practice area) wordings somewhere in their brandname or signboard. If you are looking for the ones with female hostesses the wordings “Shang Wu Hui Shuo 商务会所” (business club) or “Ye Zong Hui 夜总会” (nightclub) are dead giveaways.

In a typical setup, there will be at least one TV screen where the MTVs and lyrics are played. Nowadys most KTVs also sport another computer screen which songs are selected and entered. Some places are still using books, especially places with mostly japanese or korean songs. The room will also come with 2 microphones as well a sound system. There will be couches (of course), tables. Nicer places have an attached toilets. Even nicer places (very rare in Shanghai) have attached mahjong rooms, jacuzzis, bedrooms, pool tables, etc.

The waiters will usually run in and out of the room with towels, your unopened drinks, and whatever else you order. We call these waiters “Shao Ye 少爷”. 1 or 2 waitresses (we call “Xiao Mei小妹”) will stay inside your room to mix/pour your drinks, get yours song requests into the system, cleanup. Mommy/Moma-san will be in charge of the hostesses (we call “Xiao Jie小姐”). Mommy will come in and talk to you first, and start to bring in groups of girls and arrange them into a line-up for you to pick your companion for the time in the room. Do not feel pressured and always remember you are the customer. If you do not see anyone you like, just wave them out and the mommy will get the next group in.

So, these are the people you usually need to tip at the end of the night: 1 Shaoye (usually the one that hands you the bill at the end), all the Xiaomeis that stayed and worked in your room, your hostess(es) and the Mommy. Tip amounts vary by the joint. So read on.


Warning!! - bad apples and tricks they play

Shanghai is relatively very safe compared to other parts of China. However, please exercise common sense and due caution anywhere you go. Sometimes you just have to assume there is no honor system here in China. The locals don’t believe in one and neither should you. Here are some of the common KTV scams – more tricks come up from time to time.

• Super expensive snacks. You or your hostess pick these snacks and they get you in the bill at the end of the night. I’ve heard of a case where 5 orders of cheap snacks costed a poor soul 1000rmb. You can still get snacks, but ask and be sure how much they cost. Most places makes you pay cash at the point of ordering which I personally like.
  
• plus plus plus. Expensive mixers, fruit plates. Ask ask ask. I can’t say more. If you know how much you will be drinking and it is substantial, ask the Mommy to comp it. They can usually do it. Ask for a price list for alcohol and for snacks, fruits or mixers so you will not be unpleasantly surprised at the end of the evening.
  
• Ladies’ drinks. The hostesses will order some special drinks for themselves. Usually simply calling it “Yin Liao饮料” (drink), they can kill. Some people I know got conned more than 2800rmb for 12 small bottles of budweiser which costs less than 300rmb. The rest of the bill was for these “innocent” drinks. Ask how much they cost when the hostess orders them. The best practice is to ask the girls to drink from the drinks you ordered. If they do not agree, that’s a sign and send the girls out. They may tell you excuses that they do not like beer or whiskey or whatever you ordered. Gently remind them that they are working and if they cannot drink what you are drinking, ask them to leave. And DO NOT give them any tip for warming up the seat for short time.
  
• If in an unfamiliar KTV, NEVER have any sexual activity (intercourse or otherwise) in the room. This is a very common con around china where halfway thru the act the doors will burst open and burly men will rob you blind while threatening to report you to the authorities or cause your bodily harm. If you are unfortunate enough to get into a situation like this, do not resist. Give them what they want, money or phone (ask for your SIM card back citing you do not want to lose the contacts). Ask for some money left for a cab ride. Walk out, remember the name and location of the joint and go straight to the nearest police station. Many do not do that for fear of legal repercussions or embarassement. You can actually recover most of your loss back. The police will go back to the joint with you and get the money and stuff back.
  
• Bigger and more wellknown places are safer. NEVER follow any touts, pimps on the streets. They are usually getting a very high commission from the amount they are going to rip you off. Hit places you already know or introduced by reliable sources.

Types of KTV in Shanghai

High Class KTVs
These are very big classy and posh KTVs. Usually having more than 50 rooms, they have awesome facilities as well as many girls working there. Pricing in this category can range from expensive to super-expensive. Bottle of chivas may cost beyond 1k rmb. Hostesses in these kind of joints are usually very attractive as only the best survive here. They are also better trained and are more cultured. Please know these KTVs are usually not as wild as someothers. Most of the hostesses will sit with you, play dice, drink. They will hug you but that is as far as it goes. If you try more, you will see the defence going up. Tips range from 300-500rmb per hostess. 300-500 for mommy, 100 for Shaoye and 200-300 for xiaomei. If you want to take the girl back it is usually 2000-3000 for LT, 1500-2000 for ST, all inclusive of the tip for the night. A lot depends on your ability to negotiate and if you clique with the gal. These places are perfect for entertaining customers. KTVs in this category includes JinBiHuiHuang 金碧辉煌, TianShangRenJian天上人间, JinSeDaDi金色大地, Rainbow Room BinFenSeCai缤纷色彩, Club 151 (this is private and you need a membership if I am not wrong).

Mid-high priced KTVs
These places charge around 700-900 for a bottle of Chivas. Rooms are usually pleasant to posh although not super high class. Girls are still reasonably attractive but the ratio of pretty girls is not as high as Highclass KTVs. Number of girls working is also less. Hostess tips is usually 300. To take the girls back, LT cost 1200-1800, ST 800-1200, inclusive of the tip for the night. For entertaining these are still good and presentable. Places in this category includes JinSeYangGuang金色阳光, HuaDu华都, DiHao 地豪.

Wilder KTVs
The wilder KTVs ranges in prices and class too. I list them as a category on their own since a lot of readers like this category. They play a lot of games in these places and all I can say is that you will be very surprised. I do not want to say more here but you get the idea. Hostesses are not model quality but sometimes you find gems. What they lack in model looks they make up with fun and playability. Tips vary from 300-500 for these places but they are usually more reasonable. Some are still very posh while others may be more lacking. Exercise caution if you want to bring customers there. Check out the place first and guage on your own. Some customers may freak out. Some may love it. Places like these include: Hengyu Poppoint (Hengshan Hotel level2), Golden Globe Star 金球之星 (Higher class, 3 locations: Huaihai road, Gubei road, Kaixuan road), 7m (Xujiahui). In these places a bottle of Chivas cost around 800-900.

To be continued...

[luvgangsta]

Beginner's guide to the KTV experience in Shanghai - Part 2/2

Mid-low priced KTVs
These places are still located in pretty central areas. These places charge around 500-700 for a bottle of Chivas. Some places rolled it into a package of around 800+ which includes all the mixers and fruits and stuff. Some of these places offer all you can drink beer package for 600 up to 4 people(guys) inclusive of room charge. The rooms are slightly more dated. The hostess selection is usually quite small and from other provinces. You can find a gem once in a while in these places. Some of the girls are very new to this and do not really know how to react. Hostess tip ranges from 200-300. LT is usually 1000. ST usually 800. Places in this category Sports Hotel Level 4 斯迫特酒店(Xujiahui), International Club (Hengshan Road). Not suitable to bring your customers.

Low priced KTVs
These places are in the outlying areas of Shanghai. The cheapest ones are out in the Shanghai countryside (it is not as far out as you think). Bottle of Chivas (if they have it) is around 400-500. Vodka is around 250-300. Beer is 20-30rmb per small bottle/can. Room is usually free but with low minimum spending amount. Shaoye and Xiaomei’s tips is usually 100. Mommy is 200. Tips for Hostess is around 200. To take out the girl ST 400-600, LT 600-1000 (just a guage, it is totally up to your negotiation skills and the situation). I will leave you to seek these ones out. I only know a couple of these kinds of places. Definitely a no-no to bring your customers.


More Advice:

1. If you entertain a lot or really love the KTV scene, you should try getting memberships. They usually comes with free alcohol in the packages and over a long run is substantially cheaper.
   
2. Knowing Mandarin is very important in this scene. Most hostesses are very bad in English. I have been able to arrange for Japanese, Korean speaking hostesses for my customers though. English is harder.
   
3. Always ask for promotions. There might be deep discounts for certain kind of drinks. Always ask the manager/mommy if they can comp the fruits, snacks or mixers.
   
4. If you want to take a girl back for sure, make sure you tell that in advance to the mommy before you make the selection. Some hostess will lie and agree so they get to sit with you and make that tip. They will find an excuse later to avoid going back with you. If that happens, talk to the mommy and get a replacement and send this one out without giving her tip. And if you are going to take a girl back, do not pay in advance, and do not give the room sitting tip. It is inclusive and give it in the morning before she leaves.

This information is not much but I hope you enjoy and can benefit from these comments.

- LuvGangsta

[jimmycool]

Greetings Bro Luvgangsta
Thank you for your super-informative write up on the Shangahi KTV scene. You must be King of KTV. I am now in Shanghai, just arrived form home-town Singapore; and reading your write up makes me want to sing now. Any brothers in Shanghai would like to have a drink together this eveing, please pm me. Bro Luvgangsta, how about you? Would you have time?
I am now staying in the Holiday Inn Heng Feng Road. Very crowded area and have not left the room since I checked in one hour ago as I am clearing the emails (yucks). Would be interested to try out the mid low priced KTV at Sports Hotel or Hengshan Road. Maybe have something to eat first too.
Let me know please, and thank you in advance.
Cheers to all brothers.

[SGPshanghai69]

Originally Posted by jimmycool

Any brothers in Shanghai would like to have a drink together this eveing, please pm me.
Would be interested to try out the mid low priced KTV at Sports Hotel or Hengshan Road. Maybe have something to eat first too.
Let me know please, and thank you in advance.
Cheers to all brothers.

Yo Jimmycool bro,
1st of all, a warm welcome to u. Most of apologies on not able to meet u up this evening being my domestic reason I've told u.

Shall meet u up 2moro evening. U have a good evening at Bourbon Street Bar tonight then, enjoy! Cheers.

Regards,

[luvgangsta]

Originally Posted by jimmycool

Greetings Bro Luvgangsta
Thank you for your super-informative write up on the Shangahi KTV scene. You must be King of KTV. I am now in Shanghai, just arrived form home-town Singapore; and reading your write up makes me want to sing now. Any brothers in Shanghai would like to have a drink together this eveing, please pm me. Bro Luvgangsta, how about you? Would you have time?
I am now staying in the Holiday Inn Heng Feng Road. Very crowded area and have not left the room since I checked in one hour ago as I am clearing the emails (yucks). Would be interested to try out the mid low priced KTV at Sports Hotel or Hengshan Road. Maybe have something to eat first too.
Let me know please, and thank you in advance.
Cheers to all brothers.

I am sorry but I only saw your post late. it is past midnight now. I hope you are having fun by now already. I am not King of KTV. My knowledge of this subject is a lot less than many other brothers. I just thought I give back some to the newbies to Shanghai as many of my brothers in and out of this forum have helped me before. Anyway see your PM if you still game for some other nights. To tell you honestly, I am not really into the KTV scene nowadays. Grew out of it I think.

[SGPshanghai69]

Originally Posted by luvgangsta

To tell you honestly, I am not really into the KTV scene nowadays. Grew out of it I think.

Dear Bro Luvgangsta,
A very detailed & intensive info herein on KTV scenes cheonging man! WEll done!!!!!!!
But to believe that you grew out of it???? Boh xiong xin you lah bro........who will be taking care of your KTV mei-meis then if u r out of it dear bro??? hee....hee....hee.......

You wanna cheong again at KTV? Jio me together or not??
Cheers bro....

[PuTonRen]

Originally Posted by SGPshanghai69

Dear Bro Luvgangsta,
A very detailed & intensive info herein on KTV scenes cheonging man! WEll done!!!!!!!
But to believe that you grew out of it???? Boh xiong xin you lah bro........who will be taking care of your KTV mei-meis then if u r out of it dear bro??? hee....hee....hee.......

You wanna cheong again at KTV? Jio me together or not??
Cheers bro....

Dear Bro SGPShanghai69,

Totally agree with you on Bro Luvgansta's detailed Guides to Shanghai KTV. He should have done it earlier so that people like me can also benefit from the guides. As I have also grown out of KTV scene, it is okay. In case you all are in again for KTV and I happen to be in Shanghai, please do not forget me also.

Regards to all of you.

PTR

[HKarto]

Originally Posted by luvgangsta

Beginner's guide to the KTV experience in Shanghai - Part 2/2

Low priced KTVs
These places are in the outlying areas of Shanghai. The cheapest ones are out in the Shanghai countryside (it is not as far out as you think). Bottle of Chivas (if they have it) is around 400-500. Vodka is around 250-300. Beer is 20-30rmb per small bottle/can. Room is usually free but with low minimum spending amount. Shaoye and Xiaomei’s tips is usually 100. Mommy is 200. Tips for Hostess is around 200. To take out the girl ST 400-600, LT 600-1000 (just a guage, it is totally up to your negotiation skills and the situation). I will leave you to seek these ones out. I only know a couple of these kinds of places. Definitely a no-no to bring your customers.

- LuvGangsta

Brother LuvGangsta, thats a well written tutorial/walkthrough, informative yet not leading. I believe all of us appreciates the time you took to write it down (and very neatly done some more!)

Just want to add a little bit, this "Low Priced KTV" is appropriate, only for the standards of expats and foreigners, there are even cheaper KTVs, in and outside Shanghai, of course "一分钱一份货" comes in mind, Bro Faidenk's cheapo KTV comes in mind (I Have been there as well), its a no for clients but for long term players in shanghai, there might be fun happenings there as well.

In terms of cheonging in Shanghai, I must say that its an expensive place to cheong, but i must add also we should not compare, because we want to cheong, what is actually the bigger question is what kind of standard or type of people you want to interact with. The posh? go Bar Rouge and Dragon, the model like quality bonks? High Class KTVs comes in mind, The village looks? BBS&Low tiered KTVs are the places to go.

I am a "near" permanent resident in shanghai, but before i encounter this forum, i have almost zero info about it at all, and i appreciate everyone has done to keep this forum healthy and running.

Last and last, thanks all of you, especially the vets.

From one of the many invisible SBF members in Shanghai -HKarto

[Daemoon]

Hi bros....

Recently been to a new KTV in town call the 823會所(Club 823 International Entertainment) It is along 江宁路428号和武定路交汇口. The place has a posh setting.... and facilities... The sound system are good and songs are updated. Furthermore... the girls are pretty... quite a lot of shanghai gals... tall and pretty... i heard cos it is new... the girls can just come and work anyday they want... dun need to pay the KTV any $$$$ so many pretty girls willing to work there!

The price for 1 chivas is about 980rmb....as for the room i am not very sure... the tips are for the meimei is 300... then the xiao mei and mummy is up to u.... but we gave the standrad rate...

All bros becareful of fake chivas around in KTV.... cos one of my colleague went to a ktv... after drinking the next day send to hospital.... due to fake chivas just becareful!. it can happen in big KTV too....

cheers
daemoon

[shengge]

Dear Fellow Bros in KTV scene,
Glad to see your contribution and thanks for sharing with us.
Really benefited shua-ku people like me....keep them coming.
Next time, know who to contact liao.


Cheers!

[SGPshanghai69]

Originally Posted by shengge

Really benefited shua-ku people like me....keep them coming.
Next time, know who to contact liao.
Cheers!

Bro Shengge,
KNN....you 'shua-ku'...??? Sure or not bro.......mai kei kei lah! Got past postings on your contributions to KTV scenes leh.....
Furthermore been to one together with you where we all had a big & wild gathering sometime back remember bro???

Maybe can go again one day with you bro??? Must bring me along hor....I more 'shua-ku' than you leh when it comes to KTV Scenes leh....

Hee.....hee....hee..............