Jakarta Info

[DaSmooth]

Originally Posted by TonyCheong2

TCSS also cannot meh hahaha.

Haha. It's fun to talk about exploits. I post frequently myself on multiple forums. I'll share some information on Jakarta because I've lived there for a good many years. But never once do I ever post about any information related to my actual favorite places in Jakarta. I'll talk about places like Classic or Travel because I don't really like those places. When it comes to the places I truly love, I want those special places to remain more hidden and will never mention them on a public forum.

If you have a place you want to remain the same in the future, it's best not to even mention it.

[onlyhuman]

Originally Posted by DaSmooth

Haha. It's fun to talk about exploits. I post frequently myself on multiple forums. I'll share some information on Jakarta because I've lived there for a good many years. But never once do I ever post about any information related to my actual favorite places in Jakarta. I'll talk about places like Classic or Travel because I don't really like those places. When it comes to the places I truly love, I want those special places to remain more hidden and will never mention them on a public forum.

If you have a place you want to remain the same in the future, it's best not to even mention it.

I kinda agrees with u... If the place gets to popular.. There goes our chionging ground... Rates soars faster than erection... Eg dongguan... There are alot of idiots think they have a bit of $$$ anyhow throw...

[Cool_Taurian]

Originally Posted by Pink_Flyod

Tony,
Jakarta has been like that since I went there 30 years ago... and it is getting more fun... The gals are getting better... but for me (I don't really go to sauna) as a KTV guy, the best place is still Bandung...!!!! The Sunda SYT is the best and agressive in sex...

Ohh man......younr damn right. Reminds me of my sexcapade with Sunda girls at Puncak. Best time of my life. Can "kemut" some more.

[Cool_Taurian]

Originally Posted by DaSmooth

Haha. It's fun to talk about exploits. I post frequently myself on multiple forums. I'll share some information on Jakarta because I've lived there for a good many years. But never once do I ever post about any information related to my actual favorite places in Jakarta. I'll talk about places like Classic or Travel because I don't really like those places. When it comes to the places I truly love, I want those special places to remain more hidden and will never mention them on a public forum.

If you have a place you want to remain the same in the future, it's best not to even mention it.

Just keep it to yourself, no body wants to know.

[Cool_Taurian]

Originally Posted by onlyhuman

I kinda agrees with u... If the place gets to popular.. There goes our chionging ground... Rates soars faster than erection... Eg dongguan... There are alot of idiots think they have a bit of $$$ anyhow throw...

If you think sharing on a forum like this will drive up the prices like Jakarta or China, you r very wrong bro. We are only very tiny cheonging group compared to Koreans, Japs and Taiwanese.

From Jakarta more information and address here http://samanthaandress.com

[DaSmooth]

Originally Posted by onlyhuman

I kinda agrees with u... If the place gets to popular.. There goes our chionging ground... Rates soars faster than erection... Eg dongguan... There are alot of idiots think they have a bit of $$$ anyhow throw...

It's no coincidence that prices were much cheaper and the girls had a much more innocent attitude in Jakarta prior to the internet and the influx of foreign sex tourists due to that. Jakarta was a hidden gem prior to then. When I first came to town, free lancers didn't even ask how much you would pay them. The going rate was 200,000 for all night and it just went without saying. Back then the only foreigners I would see around town were expats living in Jakarta or the occasional businessman in Jakarta for business. They treated the girls well and paid the girls the going rate.

In the early 2000's that started changing. I began seeing lots of sex tourists at the local places. These guys weren't in town for business, they were just in town for sex because they had read about jakarta on the internet. These sex tourists were familiar with destinations like Thailand and brought that same mentality to Indonesia - and introduced the girls to terms like "short time" and "long time", negotiating price up front, and simply being more hard core overall. Prior to the sex tourists coming en mass, those girls never mentioned anything about short time or long time - if they came home with you they stayed until morning unless you made them leave earlier.

Another thing that started happening with the influx of the sex tourists was the girls started getting cheated. If the girls didn't negotiate up front, the sex tourists would either not pay them anything or give them less than the going rate. I still remember the surprise in the voice of a couple of girls I had been with many times. They called me in the morning on my cell phone back in the early 2000's telling me that they were at a hotel next to my apartment with a guy who took the both of them the night before, and they couldn't believe he was only giving them 75k each. They didn't speak English, so they wanted me to explain to the guy that was too little. They put the guy on the phone with me and I told him the girls don't negotiate price in Jakarta because they just trust us guys to give them the going rate - and 75k each was too little. He told me he'd been visiting Bangkok and Manila for years and he knew the game. He said since they didn't negotiate up front, they will get what he gives them.

It seems this started happening frequently with many of the girls around that time. So the girls started negotiating up front.

Along with those guys who paid too little, there was also an influx of guys who would overpay. So that caused the prices to go up.

The innocence, charm, and feeling of GFE related to not negotiating up front, then giving a set price for "taxi money" in the morning that was fair and reasonable were gone. That has been replaced with "How much you gonna pay me?" and "you want short time or long time"?


As far as the brothels, Malioboro used to have girls for 350k, but they have gotten rid of them and only have the expensive girls now. King Cross used to be 350k until recently and now they are about double that - for the same exact girls.

Honestly, it's too late to make Jakarta a secret again as there are many sites now talking about it in detail. But to wish for Jakarta to stay pristine and then post about it publicly is a contradiction.

[DaSmooth]

Originally Posted by Cool_Taurian

Just keep it to yourself

In your case, I think you already know that's a redundant statement.

[Cool_Taurian]

Originally Posted by DaSmooth

It's no coincidence that prices were much cheaper and the girls had a much more innocent attitude in Jakarta prior to the internet and the influx of foreign sex tourists due to that. Jakarta was a hidden gem prior to then. When I first came to town, free lancers didn't even ask how much you would pay them. The going rate was 200,000 for all night and it just went without saying. Back then the only foreigners I would see around town were expats living in Jakarta or the occasional businessman in Jakarta for business. They treated the girls well and paid the girls the going rate.

In the early 2000's that started changing. I began seeing lots of sex tourists at the local places. These guys weren't in town for business, they were just in town for sex because they had read about jakarta on the internet. These sex tourists were familiar with destinations like Thailand and brought that same mentality to Indonesia - and introduced the girls to terms like "short time" and "long time", negotiating price up front, and simply being more hard core overall. Prior to the sex tourists coming en mass, those girls never mentioned anything about short time or long time - if they came home with you they stayed until morning unless you made them leave earlier.

Another thing that started happening with the influx of the sex tourists was the girls started getting cheated. If the girls didn't negotiate up front, the sex tourists would either not pay them anything or give them less than the going rate. I still remember the surprise in the voice of a couple of girls I had been with many times. They called me in the morning on my cell phone back in the early 2000's telling me that they were at a hotel next to my apartment with a guy who took the both of them the night before, and they couldn't believe he was only giving them 75k each. They didn't speak English, so they wanted me to explain to the guy that was too little. They put the guy on the phone with me and I told him the girls don't negotiate price in Jakarta because they just trust us guys to give them the going rate - and 75k each was too little. He told me he'd been visiting Bangkok and Manila for years and he knew the game. He said since they didn't negotiate up front, they will get what he gives them.

It seems this started happening frequently with many of the girls around that time. So the girls started negotiating up front.

Along with those guys who paid too little, there was also an influx of guys who would overpay. So that caused the prices to go up.

The innocence, charm, and feeling of GFE related to not negotiating up front, then giving a set price for "taxi money" in the morning that was fair and reasonable were gone. That has been replaced with "How much you gonna pay me?" and "you want short time or long time"?


As far as the brothels, Malioboro used to have girls for 350k, but they have gotten rid of them and only have the expensive girls now. King Cross used to be 350k until recently and now they are about double that - for the same exact girls.

Honestly, it's too late to make Jakarta a secret again as there are many sites now talking about it in detail. But to wish for Jakarta to stay pristine and then post about it publicly is a contradiction.

You are one funny dude comparing prices now to 16 years ago. Time will change things. 16 years ago nobody gives a shit about Indonesia. Today you have all kinds of industry and foreign investments here. Just compare the gold price, property price, beef price per kg now and 16 years ago......increase by many times right ? Prostitute also human right, they also same like you need to feed, need a shelter, have desire to buy good things in life.....so, if prices increase, alcohol and cigarette increase, sure their charges will follow too.....if Alexis pay their girls a meagre 650, do you think hot young chicks will work for Alexis? Of coz today Alexis charge RP1.2 Mil...you get what you pay, and Alexis get hot chicks to work for them because they pay better than other clubs like Classic for example.
And you as a customer if you pay more, you get better quality. This is life. Now Laos is cheap. Just wait 20 years later, same cycle will happen when its their turn to take off. Time changes things dude. Wait another 10 years, i bet you Price in KingCross will no longer 650k, will break RP 1 Mil.....why ? Think dude. My advise......screw within your means because time changes. When time changes, make sure your wallet also thickens.

[NobleEagle]

Originally Posted by TonyCheong2

Bro NobleEagle you also thinking of switching boats?
Come join the Jakarta boat lah.

2-3 Stars Hotels no problem lah.

My meaning of "undervalued stocks" and "value" is RP350K ST and low beer prices at mid end hotel lounges such as Classic and Travel.
I can't get the same SYT quality (RP350K/S$35) and low beer prices over at Bangkok Soapy Massage Parlours!

The only bad point about Jakarta is KTV expenses are very expensive but if you just sit at the hall expenses will be cheaper than Bangkok G-Clubs.
Sitting at the hall and see striptease dancing is a must for all humsup los hahaha!

At those striptease/dance clubs it's not compulsory to buy LDs for dancers.
Best is ask mamasan to show you hostess line up.
Buy 1-2 vouchers for the cewek to sit with you and become your human shield.

End of the day if those who have bias for Thai looks/culture then all the pro points about Jakarta will be fallen on deaf ears.
I wish Jakarta stay the way it is and not become like overrated/overpriced Bangkok.

Haha yeah Bro Tony thinking of jumping boat like you guys...BKK & Pattaya have came to stage where their prices are increasingly crazy now...thanks to those agents and their so-call "model prices"

Ah thanks very much for your clarification & tips...now I cant wait to go there & chill out at their halls in JKT haha!

Originally Posted by Cool_Taurian

Cant agree with you more. These Indons they are so hot at the same time they really enjoy sex.....

Yeah im beginning to feel the same way abt Indo ceweks too after "dipping my toes" in Batam from few trips recently

[DaSmooth]

Originally Posted by Cool_Taurian

You are one funny dude comparing prices now to 16 years ago. Time will change things. 16 years ago nobody gives a shit about Indonesia. Today you have all kinds of industry and foreign investments here. Just compare the gold price, property price, beef price per kg now and 16 years ago......increase by many times right ? Prostitute also human right, they also same like you need to feed, need a shelter, have desire to buy good things in life.....so, if prices increase, alcohol and cigarette increase, sure their charges will follow too.....if Alexis pay their girls a meagre 650, do you think hot young chicks will work for Alexis? Of coz today Alexis charge RP1.2 Mil...you get what you pay, and Alexis get hot chicks to work for them because they pay better than other clubs like Classic for example.
And you as a customer if you pay more, you get better quality. This is life. Now Laos is cheap. Just wait 20 years later, same cycle will happen when its their turn to take off. Time changes things dude. Wait another 10 years, i bet you Price in KingCross will no longer 650k, will break RP 1 Mil.....why ? Think dude. My advise......screw within your means because time changes. When time changes, make sure your wallet also thickens.

What does any of that have to do with the fact that the free lance girls now negotiate a price up front and mention long time or short time when they never did prior to the sex tourists? I'm curious why you think that happened.

I don't agree that sex tourists have no effect on the price of girls. The sex tourists absolutely have had an affect on the price (mainly on the price of free lancers). Had you lived in Jakarta, you would have seen it happen. The price the girls started asking was a far greater increase in price than any inflation we saw anywhere else at the time - and it was no coincidence that it matched the time they started negotiating price up front due to sex tourists shafting them.

Back when the free lancers were doubling their price, the prices in the brothels were not going up at all. But I think that was because back then nobody was mentioning the brothels on the internet. The focus of conversation back then was meeting girls at the free lance pick up spots.

The talk about brothels the last 5 years or so has been off the hook. Those brothels have been there 20 years or more and the prices went up very very little during 15 of those years. Hotel Travel was 220k not too long ago. Now it's 350k. You think all the internet chat has no effect? ok. think that.

Price aside, the loss of GFE and innocence of the girls is my major complaint. I loved the days when they didn't even negotiate price in the bars and trusted us completely to give them the going rate in the morning.

[Cool_Taurian]

Originally Posted by DaSmooth

What does any of that have to do with the fact that the free lance girls now negotiate a price up front and mention long time or short time when they never did prior to the sex tourists? I'm curious why you think that happened.

ST/LT were actually coming from ktv/bars because not all of their ladies can accompany clients whole night, and not all clients want to spend whole night with a lady. So, this term had been benchmarking to have a win win situation for both the clients and the bars/ladies.
And definitely as time changes, sex workers who turn into freelancers or girls who are into FL will be educated either from friends or pimps. No doubt some can learn from internet too.

QUOTE=DaSmooth;14497873] I don't agree that sex tourists have no effect on the price of girls. The sex tourists absolutely have had an affect on the price (mainly on the price of free lancers). Had you lived in Jakarta, you would have seen it happen. The price the girls started asking was a far greater increase in price than any inflation we saw anywhere else at the time - and it was no coincidence that it matched the time they started negotiating price up front due to sex tourists shafting them.[/QUOTE]

Definitely sex tourists has some effect on the price of the girls. Its demand and supply.
Prices of Freelancers always much higher than clubs, depending on what does the girl do....street hookers ? OL ? part time models ? You get ridiculous prices these days like RP2 Mil for ST, and RP 5Mil for LT. Do you think sex tourists can drive up the prices for local Indonesian FL ? Its the local indo clients. They are paying ST RP 3 Mil min. to FL students/OL and they think its not expensive. Try go partying with the locals at Golden Crown. They will invite FL ladies (really hot amd gorgeous) from outside maybe OL/Models/Stewardess.....you name it. Rp 500k just for accompanying if you decide not to engage them. RP 3 Mil to fuck the inside Crown KTV Room. Mind you, not all FLs today will go with you, they are choosy too. Except of course street hookers.

QUOTE=DaSmooth;14497873] Back when the free lancers were doubling their price, the prices in the brothels were not going up at all. But I think that was because back then nobody was mentioning the brothels on the internet. The focus of conversation back then was meeting girls at the free lance pick up spots.

The talk about brothels the last 5 years or so has been off the hook. Those brothels have been there 20 years or more and the prices went up very very little during 15 of those years. Hotel Travel was 220k not too long ago. Now it's 350k. You think all the internet chat has no effect? ok. think that.

Price aside, the loss of GFE and innocence of the girls is my major complaint. I loved the days when they didn't even negotiate price in the bars and trusted us completely to give them the going rate in the morning.[/QUOTE]

The glass is half full or half empty. If you think internet chat can drive up the prices, it definitely has some importance and effect as an information platform, but more to lower class freelancers if i have to agree with you. Upper class and hotter freelancers, their prices are influenced mainly by local executives, they are getting well off nowadays. Its demand and supply, you pay for quality.
For clubs like Malio, Alexis, Classic.....i dont think internet platform can influence their pricing.

[Cool_Taurian]

You see club like Alexis charges RP 1.2 Mil for 1 session woth their hot local ladies. The lady will get RP 400k.

Classic lower ground spa charges RP 800k (also has some other cheaper price but CMI), the lady gets RP200k.

I cant imagine how much the lady will get at cheaper places like Terminal, KC , Fashion and Travel. So you see most of the girls they want to work in Alexis, but if you are average, fat, not hot, Alexis will not pay a premium price for you, you cant work there. So if Classic/KC wants to hire hotter ladies, they have to increase their prices, else no hot girls will want to work at these places. Mean while most of these clubs benchmark their prices against Alexis. Cross fingers hoping Alexis will not increase their price soon, i'm sure this will have effect on other clubs too.

[Cool_Taurian]

To be exact, PIMPS play a major role here, in relative to Clubs.

There are 5 major Pimp groups suppying girls to KC , Classic, Travel and Terminal. There some FLs work directly in Classic lower ground spa but mainly jigher price tag 800k.

Originally Posted by Cool_Taurian

You see club like Alexis charges RP 1.2 Mil for 1 session woth their hot local ladies. The lady will get RP 400k.

Classic lower ground spa charges RP 800k (also has some other cheaper price but CMI), the lady gets RP200k.

I cant imagine how much the lady will get at cheaper places like Terminal, KC , Fashion and Travel. So you see most of the girls they want to work in Alexis, but if you are average, fat, not hot, Alexis will not pay a premium price for you, you cant work there. So if Classic/KC wants to hire hotter ladies, they have to increase their prices, else no hot girls will want to work at these places. Mean while most of these clubs benchmark their prices against Alexis. Cross fingers hoping Alexis will not increase their price soon, i'm sure this will have effect on other clubs too.

[yuenong]

Any bro will be in Jakarta this may?

I will visit Jakarta from 18-22 May.
maybe we could go hunt together.

I prefer LT or ST. that why I stay in blok M.
prefer to hunt either at blok M or CJ or Mall area.

I did stayed in kota area during my initial few trips.
very hard to find LT there. tried once around 11pm got ABG at Lokasari plaza quote 700k stay until 6am in morning.

looking forward to go cheong together.