Jakarta Info

[Rainman]

Originally Posted by phenom

When?
I'll be in Palembang on 21/9, Jkt on 22-25/9 and Sura from evening 25/9 to morning 27/9.

Surabaya over the week-end again??

I try to be there... Love to see Dolly from your eye.... haha

[Rainman]

Wanna learn Bahasa? 'So what, gituloh!'

An official recently announced a government plan for all expatriate workers to pass a proficiency test in Bahasa Indonesia. This week's cover story is not concerned with the pros and cons of the policy, but rather how difficult it is to study the language and the big gap between the daily Bahasa and the one learned at schools.

Moch. N. Kurniawan, The Jakarta Post/Jakarta

You know I really like it these days kalo mereka pengen nyela sesuatu (if they want to interrupt) dengan kayak pengen nunjukin itu tuh (with willingness to show that) gak ada artinya\"apa sih\"... (there is no meaning\"what is it\") funny yourself man... It's like, So what, gituloh?! (Saykoji)

Those lyrics are from the song So what, gituloh, which, with its extensive use of slang and foreign words, recently became a hit in the country. Gituloh has no actual meaning, but is used among the younger generation to emphasize the statement immediately preceding it.

For some Indonesians, the linguistic muddle of the song is creative, or a reflection of everyday spoken Indonesian.

But for others, the lyrics are an insult to the national language. While, for foreigners, the words are probably hard to understand.

Kalo is slang for kalau (if), pengen is ingin (want), nunjukin is tunjukkan (show), gak is tidak (no).

"It is an informal language that makes conversation more natural," said young film director Joko Anwar.

"It means that new words can be taken up in Bahasa Indonesia, and there is nothing wrong with that."

For example, Joko said, he would use kamu (you) to address a new friend, but after a while he would use lu (you) to indicate friendship.

"I also use slang in my films to reflect reality. If the film is set in the present day, we cannot avoid the use of slang, but if it's set in the 1960s, we have to be true to the spoken language of that time," he said.

University student Novi A, however, said using slang was detrimental to the national language.

"The next generation will not know whether slang is proper Indonesian or not, but they will use it daily," she said.

Australian Igor O'Neill, who learned Indonesian from talking with friends here, quickly realized that spoken Bahasa Indonesia and written Bahasa Indonesia were different.

"I learned to speak Bahasa Indonesia and I know some slang," he said. "The problem is that we can't use those words in written Bahasa Indonesia, so when I write a formal letter I am a bit confused."

For example, nggak (no) is only used in spoken Bahasa Indonesia, while in a formal letter tidak (no) is used, he said.

However, he said, that did not mean learning Indonesian -- which is spoken by some 200 million people from Aceh to Papua -- was difficult.

"Bahasa Indonesia, which uses the Latin alphabet, straightforward spelling and pronunciation, is among the easiest languages to learn compared to Mandarin or Japanese," he said.

Informal words appeared in Bahasa Indonesia, which is based on Bahasa Melaya, as early as the 1960s. In Pantjawarna magazine, a caricature used the word lu instead of the formal kamu (you) and gue (me) rather than saya.

In the 1980s, a popular film Si Unyil introduced the informal phrase ogah Ah (lazy huh). The words memble (bad), and amrik (the U.S) also crept into daily conversation around that time.

In the 1990s, jomblo (single), bego (stupid), bonek (good spirit), and keren (cool) were introduced.

Some slang words have withstood the test of time while others are no longer in use.

Meanwhile, many foreign words particularly English ones have been absorbed by Bahasa Indonesia.

Globalization has become globalisasi; organization, organisasi; and institution, institusi.

Linguist Dede Utomo said the use of slang and foreign words indicated that Bahasa Indonesia was an open language.

"Slang words are a reality and show that Bahasa Indonesia is growing," he said. "There is no need for concern, people will be able to distinguish between formal and informal language."

Although slang words do not appear in most Bahasa Indonesia dictionaries, advertising companies often use them, he said.

He advised expatriates to learn both formal and informal vocabulary.

Joko concurred with Dede, saying dictionaries should include commonly used words.

"Dictionaries need to be updated to include slang," he said.

[Rainman]

Bahasa easy until you leave the classroom

National News - September 11, 2005

The Jakarta Post, Jakarta

For newlyweds and residents of France, Lucia and Laurent, learning each other's languages is a way of avoiding misunderstandings.

So, Lucia took French classes, while Laurent learned Indonesian through an audio program downloaded from the Internet.

"It's funny to hear him speaking Indonesian, because the sentences are so formal, like the way people talk in a seminar," wrote Lucia, or Loucee, in her personal weblog http://loucee.slesta.com/blog..

Laurent, meanwhile, was baffled by the way Lucia talked on the phone with her family as she used informal language and slang, which he was not familiar with.

That is the thing about Indonesian, or Bahasa Indonesia. The formal language is quite different from the informal. So mastering the language in class does not necessarily mean you understand casual conversations.

In spite of the differences between formal and informal language, many foreigners perceive Indonesian as a simple and easy-to-learn language.

Elmar Bouma, director of the Indonesian-Netherlands Association (INA) and the Indonesian-Benelux Chamber of Commerce, said that it had the easiest grammar imaginable, with no complicated tenses, for instance.

"I learned it informally. A lot of people spend two weeks in Indonesia, and they can already speak it a little," said the Dutchman who has lived in the country for eight years.

He also has trouble understanding slang, and the fact that there are several words for "I" sometimes throws him.

However, in general, Bouma said the language was relatively poor in terms of vocabulary, which made it difficult to find the equivalent for certain words in English or Dutch.

C‚cile Leroy, project manager of the European Commission delegation here, meanwhile said that while the language seemed easy to learn at first, it got more difficult as you progressed.

"When you start, it's very easy, simple and straightforward. It even looks inadequate. For instance, in French, we have a word for hen, rooster and chicken. But here in Indonesia, there is only one word, ayam," said Leroy, who has spent eight years in the country.

After four years of learning the language, she said she could read the newspaper, as well as local women's magazine and local romance novels after one year.

Even so, Leroy thinks that Bahasa Indonesia is very basic and lacks subtlety.

"It's difficult to find equivalents (to foreign words) in Bahasa Indonesia. You can only find an approximate."

Jim Read, a British citizen residing in Jakarta, said that aside from lack of subtlety, Bahasa Indonesia tended to be indirect and long-winded.

The sign "No Littering", for instance, is translated as Dilarang Membuang Sampah.

"So, on a certain level, it's not that easy to express things. Sometimes the vocab is lacking," said Read, who has lived here for 11 years.

As a language, however, like any other language in the world, Indonesian continues to expand and develop, which means expatriates like him are constantly learning.

"It's crucial to learn the language because it's the key to the culture," said the newspaper editor.

Indonesian is also increasingly influenced by other languages, particularly English.

Read is concerned that the language is getting more diluted.

"I'm really concerned by how people mix things with English all the time. Magazines write their headlines in English, while the content is in Indonesian, with English words inserted here and there."

Magazines editors may think English words look hip, but this confusion of languages only illustrates their poor command of both English and Indonesian. The English words used, for example, are often misspelled or used in the wrong context.

This phenomena is worrying, according to Read, as people here may only end up getting the worst from both languages, and becoming half-and-half linguists.

[Rainman]

A language of many speakers

Moch. N. Kurniawan, The Jakarta Post/Manila

A Filipino journalist Marian Trinidad was surprized when her classmate, a Malaysian Indian, Derrick V, spoke with Indonesian Edi Utama, not in English but in Malay/Indonesian.

"It was quite amazing for me to see an Indian guy understanding an Indonesian guy, in Bahasa (Indonesia)," Marian told her two classmates.

"Our language, Bahasa Indonesia comes from the same roots as Bahasa Melayu (Malay)," Edi told her.

Marian was even more surprised after realizing that her language, Tagalog, also had words in common.

Words like kanan (right), mata (eyes), payong (umbrella), pinto (door) are identical or similar to Indonesian words.

Indonesian comes directly from the language of the Malays, Bahasa Melayu, an Austronesian or Malayo-Polynesian language that has been lingua franca in the Indonesian archipelago for centuries.

The nation's founding fathers realized that Malay, now the national language of Malaysia, was widely spoken across the archipelago and could play a crucial role in uniting the many ethnic groups here if it became a national language.

In the build-up to independence, the National Youth Congress in October 1928 declared Malay just that. However, it was not some time until after Indonesia declared independence in 1945 that the Indonesian form of Malay started to be taught in schools.

Indonesian in many practical terms is almost the same as Malay, however there are some marked differences in vocabulary and pronunciation that have resulted from the Dutch and Javanese influences on the language.

Some 200 million people speak Indonesian, with the number estimated to increase to about 300 million if Malay is included.

The languages are spoken by people living in Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei, Singapore, East Timor, and in southern Thailand and the Philippines.

In comparison, around 1.3 billion people speak seven Chinese dialects; 750 million people speak English and some 500 million people speak Hindi.

Language expert Alwi Hasan in his conference paper in 1995 said Indonesian as a foreign language was taught in at least 29 countries, including Australia, the United States and Britain, and also in other countries in Europe, Asia, the Middle East and Africa.

Many linguists say the language with its lack of verb-tenses, prepositions and its simple structure is a comparatively easy language to learn, with people being able to master basic conversations after a few weeks of study. However, regional dialects, slang and the mixing in of other languages like Javanese, Sundanese and Batak, make it often hard for foreign learners to understand what they hear.

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[Rainman]

Ciputra lives with dreams

Features - September 11, 2005

T. Sima Gunawan, Contributor, Jakarta

He is 74 years old. But Ciputra, the man who built Ancol Dreamland in North Jakarta, the Pondok Indah Malls in South Jakarta, and more than 20 townships in the country remains active in his property business.

He comes to his office every day, meeting clients and customers, and visiting his projects inside and outside the country. He takes an active part in meetings and discussions, playing a key role in making strategic decisions.

The old man is in good physical shape and says he is still going strong.

"I am healthy because of my strict diet. I can eat anything but I don't eat everything," he said.

To keep his body fit, Ciputra, who once joined the National Sports Week (PON) as a sprinter also plays golf and swims.

His formal position is president commissioners of PT Jaya Real Property Tbk and PT Pembangunan Jaya Ancol Tbk (Jaya Group), a joint venture with the Jakarta administration, PT Metropolitan Land and PT Metropolitan Kentjana (Metropolitan Group) and subsidiaries of Ciputra Group involved with the property business.

Ciputra, whose Chinese name is Tie Tjin Hoan, was born in a small village of Parigi in South Sulawesi, on Aug. 24, 1931. When he was 12 years old he lost his father when the Japanese soldiers kidnapped him. The hardship in his childhood motivated Ciputra, the youngest of four siblings, to study and work hard.

He went to the Bandung Institute of Technology, majoring in architecture, and upon his graduation in 1960 he established the Jaya Group. In 1971, along with friends he set up the Metropolitan Group. Ten years later, Ciputra and his four children built Ciputra Group.

Since 1980 the Metropolitan Group has invested in Singapore and Hawaii while in 1990 Ciputra Group built a five-star hotel and Ciputra International City in Hanoi, Vietnam, the biggest real estate project in the country. Recently he started to build a new township in Calcutta and he is now planning to open business in Cambodia, Malaysia, China and the Arab Emirates.

Ciputra, who collects the works of Hendra Gunawan and enjoys sculpting, has received many honors for his work, including three Satya Lencana awards from the president, and an award from the International Real Estate Federation.

He has four children from his marriage to Dian Sumeler and has nine grand children. All of them used to live together in a big house in Pondok Indah. Two of the children have moved out of the house, however.

Below is an excerpt of The Jakarta Post's interview with Ciputra in his office on Jl. Satrio, South Jakarta, last week.

Question: Your parents opened a grocery store. Why did you not follow in their steps?

Answer: My father was arrested by the Japanese troops who wrongly accused him of being a spy. Until this day I don't know where he is buried. I was 12 years old then. If he did not die, maybe I would have continued my parents' business. But his death stirred me up to extricate myself from poverty. So I decided to go to school in Java.

Why did you choose architecture?

Since I was a kid, I liked construction. When my father rebuilt a small warehouse, I said: "If this bar was pulled out, the building would collapse." Father was quite surprised. I also liked geometry, my score for the subject was 10.

You should have a vision in your life. You have to imagine what you want to be and that should be your focus, your ideal.

Many people have the imagination, but they can't make it true.

That's because there is no determination. You have to be determined to realize it, otherwise it will only become a dream. A dream will not become an innovation if there is no realization.

Do you have any dream which has not been realized?

To become a successful businessman.

You are.

That's not enough. There are still many things to do. I have built more than 20 townships, and I want to build more, for example in Manado I want to build a resort city.

I also dream of building a recreation park with the theme -- flora and fauna. I want to build a multi-national corporation, that can invest not only in Indonesia but also in other countries all over the world.

When I sleep, I often imagine designs. In the car, anywhere, I also like to imagine.

Are you saying that you often dream about designs?

Sometimes. And this is funny. I want to build a recreation park and I was thinking what would be the most fun in the park and when I slept, I dreamt about animation, like computer animals, robot animals. And then (when I woke up) I gave it a thought, the robots should have artistic and complicated movements.

When you are in bed, do you keep on thinking?

That's my weakness. I suffer from insomnia. But I don't worry about my brain which works all the time. When I can't sleep I often have ideas and in the morning, before I work, I am ready with the idea.

How long do you sleep?

I am in bed for about seven hours, but I sleep only five or four hours. That's my weakness but also my strength. Before I meet you (for the interview), I have already thought about what I would say.

[Rainman]

At night, do you always think about what you will do in the morning?

Yes. Beethoven and many other great composers had insomnia and when they could not sleep they often got ideas to create their work.

Have you ever tried to cure your insomnia?

I did. But this did not work, so I just live with it. Because I like to think, I find it difficult to sleep, and because I find it difficult to sleep, I think. (he laughs).

How do you stay healthy?

I am on diet. I can eat anything because I don't eat everything. I have a strict diet. It is not the food that chooses me, it is I who chooses the food. I am the one who decides what I eat and what I avoid.

What kind of food do you avoid?

Anything with cholesterol.

What is your favorite food?

Manado food. The fish from Lake Tondano is the best in the world. The water and the plankton are different. The water is clear. There is the nike fish, which is like an anchovy. Make fish balls by adding flour and fry them with coconut oil. Eat with dabu-dabu (chili and green tomato). It's delicious.

Can you cook?

I don't cook. But I know how the food is prepared. Once, about 10 years ago I joined a fun cooking contest in Ancol. The night before the contest, I asked my wife how to make fried rice and I imagined it. I won, beating the other contestants, including the then director general of tourism Joop Ave, the city governor and other high-ranking officials. What's important was the taste of the food and the presentation. I decorated the food with tomato, cucumber and egg.

I understand that you are really into art, not only the art of cooking.

That's my hobby. Look at that sculpture. I made it myself, inspired by the work of Hendra Gunawan. (He points at a statue in his room and takes a book about Hendra Gunawan from the table). This is the most beautiful sculpture in the world. It could be put in a museum in Singapore, London or New York. While this one (he showed a picture of a sculpture) is the statue of (national hero) Diponegoro. Many people are talking about it but I don't want to be involved in the controversy.

There is indeed a controversy over the statue, because the city administration plans to erect the statue in Surapati Park and replace the statue of Kartini. (This plan has drawn a mixed reaction from critics, with some saying the move would erode the historical values of the Kartini statue)

I don't want to be involved in the controversy. What I know is that this statue is quite beautiful. Made of bronze, it took me three months to make. It is four meters and a half high and the stand is also four and a half meters.

A work of art must be beautiful. Like poems.

Do you also paint?

I used to paint, but now I am too busy to paint. I prefer sculpting than painting.

Do you like poems?

I like Chairil Anwar. And I like the Lebanese poet, Khalil Gibran, more. Oh, that's crazy. Crazy... His philosophy... is quite extraordinary, so moving. His poems about marriage ... and those about works drive me to work.

Anyway, how can the property business contribute in such a difficult economic situation like today?

We need foreign exchange, we have to boost investment, to attract foreign investors. Other countries like Malaysia issue land certificates that are valid for between 70 and 100 years, why does Indonesia issue only 30 years, which can be extended? It should be at least 100 years. Because we lag behind the other countries in law and security, we should allow a longer time (for the right to use land or a building). The return of investment in Singapore and Malaysia is much higher than Indonesia. Foreigners are reluctant to buy property here.

Indeed, there is a strict regulation about foreigners who want to buy properties here.

This regulation should be revised. You know, I have just returned from Dubai, it has a population of 200,000 locals and 800,000 foreigners. Ninety-five percent of people who buy property there are foreign investors.

Some say that the government is xenophobic.

Such a sentiment should be dismissed. In the past the colonial government made our life difficult, but we have to bury the past (sentiment). Don't regard all foreigners as colonizers.

About your philosophy of life, you say that you are anti-KKN (corruption, collusion and nepotism), could you elaborate?

One important thing that Indonesia must have but we lack, is integrity, including honesty, openness and justice.

How can one rebuild integrity?

Starting from schools, starting from the teachers, there should be more attention paid to their welfare ... Our leaders should become a models, they must be anti-KKN. The law must be upheld. Anyone who is wrong must be penalized.

Development makes Jakarta beautiful, but it also has negative impacts, like flooding.

People should be disciplined, they should dump their garbage properly and the garbage is not being transported properly even though there is a huge budget spent on garbage removal.

How about the developers? The development of your housing project, Pantai Indah Kapuk, in North Jakarta, reportedly caused floods.

No, the flood were not because of PIK but because many water pumps did not work. Sometimes we are wrongly accused. These are the risks we run in life. Anyway, I have sold my shares in PIK and also in Bumi Serpong Damai because of the crisis (which started in 1997).

Many people cannot afford to buy a house. What is your opinion about this?

Last year we built 3,900 houses which cost less than Rp 50 million, including those in Tangerang and Jonggol.

How about low-cost apartments?

I'd like to build them, too. But later. We are still busy with the land that we already bought a long time ago.

I want to propose to the government to make a Central Providence Fund, like Singapore and Malaysia have. It would be like the Jamsostek (pension program), but the fund would be for housing. A portion of employees salaries is taken and put into the fund that is established by the employer, the government and the trade union. In Singapore, they have collected more than US$100 million and 75 percent of people's houses are built from that fund.

What are the prospects for the property market?

For domestic market, there are malls, trade centers and housing projects. These business runs well. But for the foreign market, the property business including industrial estates, office buildings and hotels, has yet to return to normal because the foreign investors (who fled the country following the economic crisis) have not returned.

The value of rupiah is weakening. Don't you worry about its impact on the property business?

A little bit. There is a little worry which is proportional and becomes an incentive for us to be more creative and innovative, such as in house designs, the concepts, the use of materials, and the way we sell the property.

[Batam Man]

RM, today got holiday in Jkt meh?
You so free wan...??

[Rainman]

Originally Posted by Batam Man

RM, today got holiday in Jkt meh?
You so free wan...??

Just sharing some important info from INdo...

Cheers

[Rainman]

Govt grounds four Boeing 737-200

The Jakarta Post, Jakarta

In a stepped-up drive to boost safety in the domestic airline industry, the government grounded four Boeing 737-200 planes operated by four different airlines due to problems found in those aircraft.

In an impromptu visit to Soekarno-Hatta International Airport over the weekend, Minister of Transportation Hatta Radjasa oversaw random safety checks on selected domestic airliners following the recent crash of a Mandala Airlines aircraft.

During the random check, Hatta, accompanied by a number of the ministry's senior officials, entered several Boeing 737-200 jets belonging to a number of local budget carriers.

One of the aircraft was in the process of boarding passengers when he made the random check, while the check on the other airplanes was made when they had just landed.

Hatta said one aircraft had a problem with its wheel system, which caused tremors during takeoff. Another aircraft had a problem with its brakes. But, he did not disclose the problems of the other two. The minister said he had admonished the pilot for failing to immediately report the problem.

Hatta said last week during a meeting with the House of Representatives Commission V on transportation, that the government would intensify random checks on domestic airlines to ensure that planes were being properly maintained.

The move came after a 26-year-old Mandala Airlines Boeing 737-200 jet crashed immediately after takeoff and plowed into a heavily populated area near Polonia Airport in the North Sumatra capital city of Medan, killing 149 people including those on the ground. Some 14 passengers in the tail section survived the country's worst crash in eight years.

Some reports said that according to the preliminary investigation, engine failure could have been the cause of the crash, although National Transportation Safety Committee experts said it was too early to conclude. Three investigators from the U.S. have arrived in Medan to assist local authorities in the investigation. The flight recorders will be sent to Washington for analysis.

After the crash, many people including lawmakers questioned whether domestic budget airlines were paying enough attention to safety in light of soaring fuel costs and a ticketing price war.

Critics also said that the government should further tighten industry regulations to boost safety and maintenance.

Hatta insisted last week that safety regulations were good and were in line with international practice, but acknowledged that corrupt officials might look the other way during routine inspections.

"It's how to implement these regulations without any behind-the-scenes play, without officials who can be bribed. These are what can endanger safety," he was quoted by Reuters as saying.

[Rainman]

Police officer arrested for drug dealing

Abdul Khalik, The Jakarta Post, Jakarta

A police officer at the Bekasi Police precinct, identified as Comr. Nazarudin, was arrested last Friday by the North Jakarta police for drug dealing.

Jakarta Police Internal Affairs chief Sr. Comr. Anwaruddin said on Sunday that his division was now handling the case involving Nazarudin, the intelligence unit chief of Bekasi Police.

"We are still interrogating him so I can't talk much. We hope we can reveal it to you soon," he told The Jakarta Post.

According to several sources, Nazarudin was arrested at the Hai-Lai discotheque in Ancol, North Jakarta last Friday following a tipoff from a drug-dealer nabbed earlier.

"The arrested drug dealer said that he got the drugs from Nazarudin. So, we arrested him," a source at the North Jakarta Police said.

Meanwhile, in Jakarta, a man identified as Haryanto Sembiring, who police officers say is a big-time drug dealer, was arrested with 22 ready-to-sell packages of putaw (low grade heroin) in his house on Jl. Bendi Besar in Kebayoran Lama, South Jakarta over the weekend.

South Jakarta police chief of operations Adj. Comr. Hendro W. said Haryanto was a long-time player in the drug-trafficking business and had been under police surveillance for nearly a year.

"We have listed Jl. Bendi Besar and its surrounding areas as a drug-prone area of Jakarta and Haryanto is one of the main traffickers there," he told The Jakarta Post on Sunday.

After many reports from local residents, a group of police officers raided Haryanto's house on Saturday. Several members of Haryanto's group, however, had left Haryanto's house just before the police arrived there.

"We will also investigate why they were able to get away. If we find that one of our police officers gave them information about our plan, then we will take action against that officer. If we can capture the rest of the members, we can cleanse the area of drugs," Hendro said.

The police are in the midst of an ongoing crackdown on drug abuse in Greater Jakarta and launched dozens of raids over the last two months.

While concentrating mostly on nightclubs, police also have focused on cleaning up neighborhoods notorious for drug abuse and trafficking, including Tanah Abang in Central Jakarta, Tambora and Kota in West Jakarta and Depok in West Java.

The chief of the Jakarta Police's drug unit, Carlo Brix Tewu, said earlier that his officers had managed to arrest hundreds of people on drug charges in a host of discotheques and slum areas since the special operation began.

"We have arrested over 600 people so far. We are now preparing them for trial. We will continue to conduct similar operations in the next few months," he told the Post.

Carlo said each police precinct had been given a quota of 15 drug busts that lead to a conviction, while each subprecinct was given five.

Meanwhile, Depok police managed to arrest 11 members of what they claim was a drug syndicate, and confiscated over two kilograms of marijuana and several grams of shabu shabu (crystal methamphetamine) in the Limo area of Depok on Saturday.

Limo subprecinct chief Adj. Comr. Ade Rhamat Idnal said that the 11 suspects came from two different drug syndicates that have long been operating in Depok.

The 11 suspects are Zulkifli, 19, Ferdi, 20, Herdi Silfa, 25, Zefri Zuwandi, 26, Malik Bin Karto, 26, Indra Gunawan, 23, Rio Ulhaq, 28, Adam Gure, 30, Zul Izmi, 22, Marsudin, 21, and Nasril, 18.

[darper]

I will be in Jkt this coming Sunday 18th September.

Just wondering if any of the guys will be around for some beers and hopefully will be able to provide me with some 'lookouts' of gals around.

Thanks.

[Batam Man]

Jkt Official pimp RainMan, someone is on a "lookout" for you, where are you??? kekekekeke

[liongKH]

Originally Posted by Batam Man

Jkt Official pimp RainMan, someone is on a "lookout" for you, where are you??? kekekekeke

No lah, Bro Rainman is not like that. But streetwise and helpful. I dun think he collect 20% for assistance.

[Rainman]

Originally Posted by Batam Man

Jkt Official pimp RainMan, someone is on a "lookout" for you, where are you??? kekekekeke

Me A PIMP?? GO get laid.

[Batam Man]

Originally Posted by Rainman

Me A PIMP?? GO get laid.

HaHaHaHaHa