Tieng Viet lovers club

[情感王子]

Inspired by a bro who showed me a tieng viet poem in his handphone.
I search found this website/vn forum with some poems....

http://community.vietfun.com/forumdisplay.php?f=57

[lovesprout]

Originally Posted by KangTuo

google translation:

cái tốt cũng có cái xấu = also good evil = 还不错邪恶
cái xấu cũng có cái tốt = evil is also good = 邪恶也不错

I must hire a Chinese teacher now. What is the meaning of 还不错邪恶?? If you say having a lot of sex 还不错, then I understand. but if you say having a lot of sex 还不错邪恶 then I am totally lost.

Can I simply translate it as 有好有壞?

[shysaint]

Originally Posted by lovesprout

有好有壞?

This Makes alot sense to me

[jackbl]

Originally Posted by jackbl

I asked my fren she said the correct sentence could be :

co CAI tot cung co cai xau

Originally Posted by lovesprout

Can I simply translate it as 有好有壞?

Boss, I hv reply u in my previous mail. U missed it?

[lovesprout]

Originally Posted by jackbl

Boss, I hv reply u in my previous mail. U missed it?

ahh.. Sorry I didn't notice your post.

Here is another one I don't understand. Please help:

VB: khi nao don ve vn e se den don dep nha cho anh
LS: ko can. anh chi can em lam dieu do voi anh thoi. Hihi
VB: uhm nhung de sau tinh nhe

VB: When you come to vn, I will make up your house.
LS: No need. I only need you to do that thing with me (evil grin)
VB: But .....

Here, I don't know whether it is "de sau" or "sau tinh".. Too many meanings for these words.

de: easy, put
sau: what, why, after, isn't it
tinh: calculate, feelings

[jackbl]

Originally Posted by lovesprout

VB: khi nao don ve vn e se den don dep nha cho anh
LS: ko can. anh chi can em lam dieu do voi anh thoi. Hihi
VB: uhm nhung de sau tinh nhe

VB: When you come to vn, I will make up your house.
LS: No need. I only need you to do that thing with me (evil grin)
VB: But .....

She will consider/plan(tính) later

[jackbl]

For people who wanted to open up an internet shop in vn..... take note!

Cities shut down internet shops
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VietNamNet Bridge - Authorities in Ha Noi and HCM City have begun clamping down on internet cafes that violate the law.

The move follows a two-week investigation by Ha Noi's Information and Communications Department. Every cafe inspected was found to be in breach of the law that demands they install appropriate management software and meet health and safety regulations.

In addition, 204 internet cafes in 17 districts were within 200 metres of schools, which is now prohibited under Vietnamese law.

In their defence, Pham Quoc Ban, the department's director, said many of these cafes had opened before the current law was promulgated.

That said, internet access would be denied to these outlets at the end of the week, Ban said.

In addition, the department has ordered internet service providers (ISPs) to block Web access to every internet cafe from 11pm to 6am.

In HCM City, authorities have asked ISPs to block access to online games such as Dot kich (Crossfire), which is considered excessively violent, and pornographic sites.

Earlier this week, HCM City's Department of Information and Communications ordered HCM City Telecommunications, VDC 2, Viettel, FPT Telecom, Sai Gon Postel, and EVN Telecom in HCM City to deny access to these sites.

Crossfire is produced by VTC, a multimedia corporation that is in fact managed by the Ministry of Information and Communications.

The department has told ISPs to report the results of their shutdown by September 1. If their efforts are found to be insufficient, they will be subject to fines.

The department also said it would clamp down on advertising of online games in the city's 24 districts.

A number of other online games have also been outlawed. Details will be sent to the seven ISPs in the next few days.

Earlier, FPT Online, which produces Dac nhiem anh hung (A Heroic Mission), announced that it would withdraw the game in April.

According to Le Manh Ha, director of the city's Department of Information and Communications, other game providers had been asked to voluntarily withdraw access to excessively violent or pornographic material.

Source: VNS

[jackbl]

Vietnam in top ten countries affected by natural calamities
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VietNamNet Bridge – Southeast Asia is considered as the world’s storm center and Vietnam is among the top ten countries most affected by natural calamities and climate change.

As many as 60 experts from 20 Asian countries and the United Nations met in the central province of Thua Thien-Hue on August 25 to evaluate the impact of natural disasters in the region.

According to the conference, natural calamities in Asia account for nearly 40 percent of global losses caused by natural calamities; this continent accounts for nearly 60 percent. Southeast Asia is the storm center and one of the regions most hit by natural disasters and most vulnerable to climate change. Vietnam is one of ten countries most affected.

Representatives from the World Meteorology Organisation revealed that the agglomeration of carbon dioxide and substances that creates the greenhouse effect has reached its highest level so far. The result is climate change and the increase in number and intensity of storms in the world. The clearest evidence is the drought for two consecutive years in 2009-2010 in Australia, Vietnam and Africa, ice-melting in the two poles, and floods and landslides in China and Pakistan.

A professor of social anthropology noted that Vietnam doesn’t have earthquakes, but complex storms and floods force Vietnam to have long-term strategies on urban and land planning. Research presented at this conference showed that, in India, more modern houses collapsed in earthquakes than houses built by traditional techniques and designs. This is why countries need to share their experience and knowledge to confront natural disasters.

Neil R. Britton, a senior expert on natural disaster risk management from the Asian Development Bank (ADB), remarked that his bank has given top priority to natural disaster control programs and is ready to cooperate with social and non-government organisations.

From 1987 to 2009, ADB disbursed over $9.6 billion in aid to Asian countries to cope with natural disasters, including 19 percent in relief aid, 45 percent in control programs and 36 percent in resettlement. The biggest development bank in Asia has funded 11 relevant projects worth over $ 428 million for Vietnam during this period.

The three-day workshop co-sponsored by Hue Economic University, the University of Delhi, India, and the Centre for Research on the Epidemiology of Disasters, Belgium, is part of the Microdis project, short for “micro-analysis of disasters.”

The project aims to strengthen prevention, mitigation and preparedness strategies to reduce the impact of natural disasters on health, social and economic developments in Asia.



PV

[jackbl]

The 2nd most respectable figure in VN after Ho Chi Minh. He is still alive.

General Vo Nguyen Giap – Unforgettable memories
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VietNamNet Bridge – American journalist Stanley Karnow recalled his memories of General Vo Nguyen Giap on Tuoi Tre Daily on the occasion of the 100th birthday of the legendary general (25-8-1911-25-8-2010).

Karnow had the chance at an exclusive interview with General Giap, posted to New York Times Magazine in June 1990 entitled "Giap Remembers.”

Karnow couldn’t forget the day he sat in an old-styled room in Hanoi and listened to General Giap, the legendary man, talking about the miraculous victory of his country.



When did you first interview General Vo Nguyen Giap?

The first time I saw him was in 1990. We met in an old house in Hanoi, near my hotel. We talked and then I visited his home. I met his wife and some members of his family.

After this trip, I wrote a New York Times article about him and used it in my book later. I researched the wars in Vietnam and Giap’s role when he became a leader of the Viet Minh… Giap and I talked with each other and we interviewed in French because he is very proficient in the language.



Do you know why General Giap agreed to be interviewed by you, an American, when Vietnam had just opened its door to the world?

I think perhaps he had read my book, Vietnam: A History, so he agreed to talk with me. He told me about Dien Bien Phu by moving tea-sets on the table.

The interview with General Giap was an important landmark in my career.



Is there any change in your view of the Vietnam War after your talk with General Giap?

I really think that Americans were wrong when they carried out the Vietnam War. The US didn’t have any opportunity to win and that is the topic of my book. Looking back I see this war is a tragedy. Around 60,000 American died and went missing. So many Vietnamese died. So many Vietnamese families lost their relatives and were affected by Agent Orange.

In any circumstance, General Giap was very determined. And when I asked him: “Can you help me understand why there was no chance for American to win this war?” He answered: “Because we were always consistent and ready to struggle to overcome every circumstance.”



Did he tell you about the price that Vietnam had to pay in the war?

He told me about cemeteries of war martyrs and the white tombstones. Many cemeteries have white tombs that don’t contain the remains of anyone. These are artificial tombs of soldiers who died in southern Vietnam, but their remains were lost. We could understand that there are always heart-breaking sacrifices in wars.

General Giap never told me about the specific number of Vietnamese who died in the war. He always repeated that it was a great loss. But he said there were people who had to sacrifice to win in that war. I listened to him and I understand very clearly.

I don’t judge him about it. I was a soldier in World War II, when I was only 18, 19 years old. I reported the war in Algeria. I observed many wars in my life to understand that the number of people who had to die for wars is terrible.

Why did you write about General Giap as the person who is on a par with Grant, Lee, Rommel and MacArthur in the temple honoring world military leaders?

I wrote about many general in my book and made comparisons with him. He told me how he faced the French since 1946. When Giap told me about French General Jean de Lattre de Tassigny in Vietnam, he was very proud to face him in the war. He made me remember the other great generals in history.

When he led the Dien Bien Phu campaign, foreign advisors were always besides him. They told him to do this, do that. General Giap said he always listened to what they said and didn’t sleep at night to make decisions.

He commanded soldiers to dig into the earth to move into the centre. The French could never imagine that General Giap could bring cannons to hill tops and then triumph with the least losses. That was one of the most special victories in his life. That’s why I compared him and his historic battle to other famous generals.



What was your impression of General Giap?

He is a courteous and a little humorous in talks. He is very intelligent and urbane in a French style. On this occasion, I would like to convey my and my daughter Catherine’s happy birthday wish to him.



General Vo Nguyen Giap was the first general of the Vietnam People’s Army and the top commander in the two wars against the French colonialists (1946-1954) and the US imperialists (1960-1975).


The veteran revolutionary was the Vietnam People’s Army’s Commander in Chief for 30 years and an excellent disciple of President Ho Chi Minh.


A great military strategist and tactician, he was closely associated with the historic defeat of the French at Dien Bien Phu on May 7,1954.


Under Giap’s command, libration forces captured Sai Gon, now Ho Chi Minh City, on April 30, 1975.

[jackbl]

‘It is our pleasure to serve General Vo Nguyen Giap’
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VietNamNet Bridge – “His birthdays were always simple and cozy. We didn’t organize birthday celebrations, but we were prepared to welcome guests,” said Major Le Van Hai, who has been General Vo Nguyen Giap’s assistant for over 20 years.

In the 1990s, when Hai began serving the General, his health was very good. The General used to get up early to do morning exercises and have breakfast with his family before working at his office.

Even though he was over 80 years old, he worked very hard. The General’s doctor advised him on many occasions to not work so hard. In 1990-1991, General Giap worked until midnight to write his memoirs and to prepare documents for the seminar on President Ho Chi Minh’s 100th birthday.

Working for the General since he was 21 years old, Major Le Van Hai clearly understands General Giap’s careful style of work. For example, even though speeches and documents had already been brought to publishing houses, General Giap still needed to correct some sentences.

According to Hai, General Giap used his assistants very efficiently and effectively. Each of them was assigned a certain field to cover. He also asked for information from officials of various ministries and agencies. He used various sources of information at work.

Though he has been working for General Giap for more than 20 years, Major Hai said that he is not the most senior assistant. Colonel Nguyen Huyen and Major Trinh Nguyen Huan have been working for General Giap since the mid-1970s. The “youngest” assistant has served the General for nearly ten years.

All the assistants said they serve the General with great pleasure, although their responsibility is great.

In the late days of August, the General’s house at 30 Hoang Dieu was always crowded with guests who came to congratulate him on his 100th birthday. Flowers and keepsakes were placed everywhere. Though General Giap is now in Army Hospital 108, guests still came to see his wife.

According to Major Hai, the General is still in full possession of his senses. “When the Party Secretary General paid a visit on August 23 or when the Hanoi Party Secretary came on August 24, the General said thank you. In recent days, when I came to make reports, he immediately expressed his consent or not,” Hai said.


He said that General Giap’s birthdays were always simple and cozy. Assistants didn’t organize birthday celebrations but were prepared to welcome guests.

“Moments with [General Giap] were extremely valuable times in my life. I’m so lucky to have had access to a great man, a great personality, a person who has met the fullest character of Vietnam,” said Colonel Tran Hong, who has taken photos of General Giap since 1994.

On August 24 Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung, National Assembly Chairman Nguyen Phu Trong, Minister of Defense Phung Quang Thanh, Hanoi Party Secretary Pham Quang Nghi, and many top officials visited the General at Hanoi-based Army Hospital 108.

The Prime Minister wished General Giap a long, healthy life and for his continued contribution of valuable opinions to the country’s development. He said the government always remembers and appreciates the General’s great contributions to the country.

Nghi presented the General a special gift – the Thang Long Dragon, numbered 100, which is one of 1,000 gemstone-inlaid dragons for the capital city’s 1,000th birthday.

Also on August 24, many representatives of social organizations paid a visit to General Giap’s house.

PV

[jackbl]

To the bro who PM me these sentences, I tried my best to translate:

"day la lan dau tien em qua Malaysia..em khong biet gi het,em khong noi duoc tieng trung quoc va tieng anh em thay rat buon va so..duoc anh quan tam em cam thay vui va hanh phuc..em mai nho anh va yeu anh..chuc anh ngu ngon..trong giac mo em se gap anh..hon..hon.. ong xa..hi..hi"

"This is my first time coming to Malaysia. I dont know anything at all. I cannot speak mandarin nor english, I felt very sad and scared. Having your concern I felt very happy and happineses. I forever miss you and love you. Wish you good night. In the dream I will meet you. Kiss. Kiss. Husband. Ha. Ha"

[Hurricane88]

Originally Posted by jackbl

"day la lan dau tien em qua Malaysia..em khong biet gi het,em khong noi duoc tieng trung quoc va tieng anh em thay rat buon va so..duoc anh quan tam em cam thay vui va hanh phuc..em mai nho anh va yeu anh..chuc anh ngu ngon..trong giac mo em se gap anh..hon..hon.. ong xa..hi..hi"

At least this gal wrote proper tieng viet and not all kinds of short forms...

[lovesprout]

Originally Posted by jackbl

She will consider/plan(tính) later

Thanks. I think you are right.

How to translate "de" in this sentence? Does it mean "put" here?

[jackbl]

Originally Posted by lovesprout

How to translate "de" in this sentence? Does it mean "put" here?

I think it is somehow similar. Some vn words do not have exact english translation.

[jackbl]

Vietnam in top ten of most dangerous places to surf Internet
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VietNamNet Bridge – According to the latest survey by Australia-based AVG Internet security firm, Vietnam is among the top ten countries that are the least safe for Internet surfing.

AVG looked at the number of Internet attacks worldwide for the final week of July 2010, as well as the number of AVG installations per country. From this, AVG was able to work out the probability of an average web surfer being attacked in a specific country. The research involved taking data from 127 million AVG installations across 144 countries.

Turkey tops the least with one out of every ten computers being attacked by a virus or malware (ratio 1/10). Other countries in the top ten are Russia (1/15), Armenia (1/24), Azerbaijan (1/39), Bangladesh (1/41), Vietnam and Laos (1/42), Portual (1/43), USA (1/48), Ukraine, Pakistan (1/48).

The ten safest countries for surfing the Internet are: Sierra Leone (1/696), Nigeria (1442), Japan (1/403), Togo (1/359), Namibia (1/353), Belize (1/302), Madagascar (1/283), Mozambique (1/264), Zambia (1/262) and Slovakia.

“This research tells us a lot about the typical behavior of web surfers worldwide. Internet users in Turkey, Russia, and some Central Asian, the Caucasus, Southeast Asian, and Indian sub-continent states show disproportionately higher rates of being attacked than the global average of 1 in 73,” said AVG spokesperson, Roger Thomson.

“Our research should also serve as a wake-up call to people going abroad. Very often you may access your files on a computer that doesn’t belong to you, or you may access a shared network - neither of which incidentally are things we would ever recommend. In those cases, we would urge that web users exercise caution, not only when it comes to going online in our top 50 risk list, but in general.”

Globally, North America is the most dangerous region (1/73), followed by Europe (1/72), Asia (1/102), Africa (1/108), and South America (1/164).

PV