Damn fucking dirty Anti Vice world

[apache]

The storm has come in recent months and many Big HCs and massage places are shut down.

Heard from some of the lady bosses that those massage parlours with
"police connection" did not shut down. ie. their relative or husband are police officers have ways to solve internally.

Not sure how true, but it seems so. Club St area used to have 2 "spas" facing each other, both got caught in the act, but 1 was forced to shut down and the other one continued.

One in Telok Ayer area, opposite a famous chinese temple, survived after numerous raids and continue to operate. hmmmm.

Near the Singapore's grandest Sultan mosque, whole stretch got massage parlours that open beyond 1am midnight and still operating. I thought they can only operate till 11pm? Rumour that one of the lady bosses who operate at least 3 joints there got connection with AV via her husband or lover. Not sure how true, but it is clueless how these chains can survive while many others did not survive the storm. They got AV check in the day time, but most of their gals work late at night, hahaha. wayang or what.

I am pissed off as many of my favourite playgrounds are either gone or about to be gone, but these kns joints which provide bad services can continue because they got connections as rumoured. It seems that these rumours are open secret.

What pissed me off was in Adelphi basement, these is a clean joint which does foot reflex, but was shut down because they violate the open concept rule as they got partitions for clean massage. Even these clean joints also cannot let off. kns.

Not sure if this is the reason why the top in the Licensing and Av keep changing. Everytime they change ah tao, massive raid.

They control masage parlours so tightly, yet "yellow cards" are issued for foreign prostitutes in Geylang to operate legally. Heard that every month these OKTs have to meet with the AV "Ah Tow"s to drink tea and "update", or else cannot renew prostitute licenses.

Lets hope the storm will tide over soon. Close one eye, AV, as you are also not perfect. Just look at the way you conduct spot check with your rude attitude, as if you are catching criminals. I believe there are ethics in the Police force which prohibit abuse of power. Many lady bosses are not happy with the way the customers and staff are interrogated on the spot, worst, when they barge in and shout and the yah yah attitude when they take statements and run through the name lists.

What they did not realise is some shops got CCTV, and these are recorded. Good luck to you.

[Mankok]

I agree with you but things can be much worse than here.
An overseas friend of mine mailed me he went to Mumbai and went into a massage parlour. When he got out he was caught by three police-officers. Just because he went inside a mp was considered a crime . They let him go after he paid 40000 rupees (should be $1100!!).
Fuckers!!

[neuman]

Originally Posted by apache

The storm has come in recent months and many Big HCs and massage places are shut down.

Heard from some of the lady bosses that those massage parlours with
"police connection" did not shut down. ie. their relative or husband are police officers have ways to solve internally.

Not sure how true, but it seems so. Club St area used to have 2 "spas" facing each other, both got caught in the act, but 1 was forced to shut down and the other one continued.

One in Telok Ayer area, opposite a famous chinese temple, survived after numerous raids and continue to operate. hmmmm.

Near the Singapore's grandest Sultan mosque, whole stretch got massage parlours that open beyond 1am midnight and still operating. I thought they can only operate till 11pm? Rumour that one of the lady bosses who operate at least 3 joints there got connection with AV via her husband or lover. Not sure how true, but it is clueless how these chains can survive while many others did not survive the storm. They got AV check in the day time, but most of their gals work late at night, hahaha. wayang or what.

I am pissed off as many of my favourite playgrounds are either gone or about to be gone, but these kns joints which provide bad services can continue because they got connections as rumoured. It seems that these rumours are open secret.

What pissed me off was in Adelphi basement, these is a clean joint which does foot reflex, but was shut down because they violate the open concept rule as they got partitions for clean massage. Even these clean joints also cannot let off. kns.

Not sure if this is the reason why the top in the Licensing and Av keep changing. Everytime they change ah tao, massive raid.

They control masage parlours so tightly, yet "yellow cards" are issued for foreign prostitutes in Geylang to operate legally. Heard that every month these OKTs have to meet with the AV "Ah Tow"s to drink tea and "update", or else cannot renew prostitute licenses.

Lets hope the storm will tide over soon. Close one eye, AV, as you are also not perfect. Just look at the way you conduct spot check with your rude attitude, as if you are catching criminals. I believe there are ethics in the Police force which prohibit abuse of power. Many lady bosses are not happy with the way the customers and staff are interrogated on the spot, worst, when they barge in and shout and the yah yah attitude when they take statements and run through the name lists.

What they did not realise is some shops got CCTV, and these are recorded. Good luck to you.

Today they issue HC licence - tomorrow they raid, if they don;t
they will be out of job.

Sometimes I wonder, why approve HCs with privte rooms with doors
and bath attach . If only curtains are allowed n all have to shower
outside, means no raid N job

[joew2005]

whether those rumours r true or not,it remains 2 be seen.
but if those mp r realli with "mata connection", don't knw hw long they k remain open.
big bosses wouldn't be easily contented with peanut $.
tens of thousand $ r consider peanuts 2 these big bosses.
$ laundering k earn much more.

[MeiMei5151]

Totally agree with you. Please see my recent post on warnng of AV raid:

http://sbf.today/showpos...7&postcount=56

I believed that if more Singapore Citizens (i.e. eligible voters) voice out and voice up their displeasure to the MPs and Ministers about the current AV discriminating and over-zealous raids, the feedback will be taken seriously.

Yes, i have been told that the behaviour of the AV officers conducting raid lacks courtesy and decorum. As customers, we pay for the enjoyment of a massage experience in a relaxing environment just like going to an upmarket spa. When AV officers barge in like that without even knocking on the door, it totally destroy the experience that we had paid for. Who is going to compensate us back? Not to mention the distress and the time lost. Hope someone will really post a video of the AV officers conducting raid on Youtube and STOMP. Then, we see how yaya our new AV Head will be when the Minister call him/her up.

Singapore talks about promoting the "Experience Economy" and the spa industry but our Ministries and SPF do not understand a thing about it. Like bro neuman said below, if you think there is vice, then do not approve the concept and licencing of HCs in the first place. You approve private showers in individual room, you already know what is the purpose. So, now AV try to be double-standards. Singapore Government has always been pragmatic about legalising the sex trade - otherwise where got Geylang, Petain, Keong Saik and Desker? Why the sudden U-turn? Again, probably a bunch of inept scholars Admin Officers trying to chalk up their "achievements".

If you read my other post on the current HC employment and wage practices, everyone (including AV) would know that provision of sexual services is a critical component of the HC trade. Unless AV forced a minimum wage or revenue-sharing between HC bosses and masseuses, how do you expect any gals to make a decent living (pun intended)?

http://sbf.today/showpos...6&postcount=65

Originally Posted by apache

The storm has come in recent months and many Big HCs and massage places are shut down.

Lets hope the storm will tide over soon. Close one eye, AV, as you are also not perfect. Just look at the way you conduct spot check with your rude attitude, as if you are catching criminals. I believe there are ethics in the Police force which prohibit abuse of power. Many lady bosses are not happy with the way the customers and staff are interrogated on the spot, worst, when they barge in and shout and the yah yah attitude when they take statements and run through the name lists.

What they did not realise is some shops got CCTV, and these are recorded. Good luck to you.

Originally Posted by neuman

Today they issue HC licence - tomorrow they raid, if they don;t
they will be out of job.

Sometimes I wonder, why approve HCs with privte rooms with doors
and bath attach . If only curtains are allowed n all have to shower
outside, means no raid N job

[apache]

[QUOTE=MeiMei5151;5375073]

I believed that if more Singapore Citizens (i.e. eligible voters) voice out and voice up their displeasure to the MPs and Ministers about the current AV discriminating and over-zealous raids, the feedback will be taken seriously.
[QUOTE]

Problem is who will speak up? Which HC or Massage Parlour (MP) bosses dare to speak up, unless they want to wind up for good. Speak some more, AV got ways to hit back at you, get their chief to write to check your cpf, check your iras etc. It is all a syndicate.

[QUOTE=MeiMei5151;5375073]

Yes, i have been told that the behaviour of the AV officers conducting raid lacks courtesy and decorum. As customers, we pay for the enjoyment of a massage experience in a relaxing environment just like going to an upmarket spa. When AV officers barge in like that without even knocking on the door, it totally destroy the experience that we had paid for. Who is going to compensate us back? Not to mention the distress and the time lost. Hope someone will really post a video of the AV officers conducting raid on Youtube and STOMP. Then, we see how yaya our new AV Head will be when the Minister call him/her up.
[QUOTE]

Customers balls will shrink once the AV barge into the room. 1st question is always "got any china gals". Perhaps the China Embassy should look into this sort of discrimination against china people.

[QUOTE=MeiMei5151;5375073]

Singapore talks about promoting the "Experience Economy" and the spa industry but our Ministries and SPF do not understand a thing about it. Like bro neuman said below, if you think there is vice, then do not approve the concept and licencing of HCs in the first place. You approve private showers in individual room, you already know what is the purpose. So, now AV try to be double-standards. Singapore Government has always been pragmatic about legalising the sex trade - otherwise where got Geylang, Petain, Keong Saik and Desker? Why the sudden U-turn? Again, probably a bunch of inept scholars Admin Officers trying to chalk up their "achievements".
[QUOTE]

Big spa hardly get raided, even though specials are provided for the super regulars. These spas charge $85 per hour, but actually more is happening inside. These are for the upper income people, safe haven, big spa, hardly get the raids, local gals. They are always double standard. I have also heard of raids, where they will try to find some fault before they leave or else "mission fail". This include looking through previous months of customer register list and see got any "mistakes", such as "got customer time in" but no "time out" or customers anyhow write in one column.

[QUOTE=MeiMei5151;5375073]

If you read my other post on the current HC employment and wage practices, everyone (including AV) would know that provision of sexual services is a critical component of the HC trade. Unless AV forced a minimum wage or revenue-sharing between HC bosses and masseuses, how do you expect any gals to make a decent living (pun intended)?
[QUOTE]

I was told that many MP bosses who went to drink kopi at CAntonment Police HQ were advised not to reopen any MP as the word "massage" is a very sensitive word. What the heck, then why did WDA offer grants to let locals learn massage? Waste of tax payers money? Discrimination of trade?

A lot of double standards here. But Opposition should also look into this and make it a topic. Newspapers, if their editors dare to take the risk of losing their jobs, can feature on this and comment on the AV and policies. But I doubt the transparency will prevail, as editors and writers will likely either get the axe or the script be censored.

[apache]

From bro MeiMei thread:

WARNING ALERT TO ALL BROs !! STRONG WIND IS BLOWING especially at those BIG ESTABLISHED & LEGAL HCs.

You can verify this info by checking out the threads for Eminent (Lavendar) HC, Pissa (Milan) HC, etc.

Yesterday visited my regular but rather obscured HC. Was told that AV came on last Wed (3 -4 pm) and returned again 2 days later on Fri (also around 3 -4 pm). Alas, my regular gal was caught the second time round without her clothes on but not doing it yet. They took down her details and said will inform her later by letter. Anybody knows what will happen next? She is a pink IC holder.

Hence, the theory that lightning will not strick twice in the same place does not hold water nowadays. It has been known the same HC can kena 2 times within the same day.

Bros, please note that the AV has taken down the handphone numbers of all the HC gals whether caught or not. So be careful how you word your messages - do not be too obvious or descriptive. If your gal does not reply you nowadays, this could be the reason why.

Also, note that when you register at the HC, if you give false IC number and you kena checked, the HC and possibly yourself will get into trouble too.

During these bad weather patch with strong winds predicted, hope bros will be more understanding and render assistance to our sisters in the trade such as:

• Keeping the CD (new or used + foil) in their pocket or bag. Note that it is not a crime to carry CD for guys but is taken as incriminating evidence for HC gals.
• Do NOT admit to being offered special by the gal when questioned by AV. If you don't admit it they have less grounds to charge her. (sidenote: one idiot customer actually admitted to AV that the gal asked him for "special" even when he was not having any - really no Practical Intelligence !)
• Alternatively, you can tell AV that both of you have this understanding that "special" to meant "mosha", gua-sha", "facial", "foot-reflexology", "back-stepping massage" etc.
• If you have to do the deed, do it on a piece-meal basis and do not force the gal to remove all her clothes at one go - i.e. play the top and cover up, before moving on to another part and then cover up again, i.e. remove, cover, remove, cover etc ....
• Finally, now is not the time to show off your patterns or endurance. The longer the time taken the greater the danger. Just insert and Johnny cum quickly ......... disengaged quickly, pull out, cover up and faster place the used CD + foil into your pocket or bag. We got to thank this Government if we ended up producing a whole generation of inept and pre-mature ejaculation lovers.

Please share this advice with your regular gals working in the HCs.

[apache]

From bro meimei:

I noted that you have joined SBF just last month. However, I hoped that you are not a newbie when comes to cheonging. I just want to dispel and clarify some of the views and myths that you and perhaps many newbies hold.

Firstly, the HCs scene in Singapore is unlike many of us imagine it to be as seen in the movies or as practised in other countries - i.e. the HC bosses are well connected and have the ability to take care of their gals. This is far from the truth.

The industry practice here is that if the gals get themselves into trouble, they are on their own - no boss will pay their fines or help them get off the hook (they do not have the means anyway). In fact, the HC bosses can be bloody mercenary and selfish. Even if they know AV raids are prevailing, they chose not to inform their gals for fear that less gals will turn up for work or offer limited service to customers thus affecting their business. HC employees have always been instructed not to mention recent AV raids or checks to customers for fear that customers may stay away or dare not take up specials.

Our HC bosses are no benevolent employers but real blood-suckers of the worst kind. How much you think your $38 -$50 entrance fee goes to the gal? The gals get only $5 - $7. Some got no choice but even work for free. If they don't offer special, what do the gals earn? On top of this meagre wages, the bosses levy all sorts of deductions - $50 per month for tissues and oil, $xxx for food. Then there are penalties $50 a day if absent (double or triple on weekends and public holidays), $20 for being late, etc, etc

Another myth you hold is that by admitting to AV they will not disturb you. Firstly, paying for sex is not a crime or illegal. You are not in any trouble in the first place. However, by admitting to AV that you had sex with the gal, you are actually inviting trouble for yourself. The AV will have to file report (like all public servants) and take statement from you. Cannot anyhow say one customer admitted. Must take down your details and get you to sign statement. Then if decide to prosecute, will then have to call you to attend court as witness. If you back out, then they can charge you for giving false testimony. So now you see whether you get more or less trouble by admitting or not.

Have a heart. Those HC gals are also like you and me. They got families to feed and commitments to pay. Although they are a service provider and we are their clients, it is to our benefit that they are safe. We should not say it is not of our concern. Likewise, why should it be my concern to warn bros like yourself here? We are in this forum to share and to care. We may be cheongsters but we are no bastards. This is the spirit of SBF !

May you now be more enlightened. Amituofo !

[sexynagi]

Originally Posted by apache

Our HC bosses are no benevolent employers but real blood-suckers of the worst kind. How much you think your $38 -$50 entrance fee goes to the gal? The gals get only $5 - $7. Some got no choice but even work for free. If they don't offer special, what do the gals earn? On top of this meagre wages, the bosses levy all sorts of deductions - $50 per month for tissues and oil, $xxx for food. Then there are penalties $50 a day if absent (double or triple on weekends and public holidays), $20 for being late, etc, etc

Another myth you hold is that by admitting to AV they will not disturb you. Firstly, paying for sex is not a crime or illegal. You are not in any trouble in the first place. However, by admitting to AV that you had sex with the gal, you are actually inviting trouble for yourself. The AV will have to file report (like all public servants) and take statement from you. Cannot anyhow say one customer admitted. Must take down your details and get you to sign statement. Then if decide to prosecute, will then have to call you to attend court as witness. If you back out, then they can charge you for giving false testimony. So now you see whether you get more or less trouble by admitting or not.

Have a heart. Those HC gals are also like you and me. They got families to feed and commitments to pay. Although they are a service provider and we are their clients, it is to our benefit that they are safe. We should not say it is not of our concern. Likewise, why should it be my concern to warn bros like yourself here? We are in this forum to share and to care. We may be cheongsters but we are no bastards. This is the spirit of SBF !

May you now be more enlightened. Amituofo ![/I]

Have to agree with the Bro here.

[zimzim]

Originally Posted by apache

From bro meimei:

I noted that you have joined SBF just last month. However, I hoped that you are not a newbie when comes to cheonging. I just want to dispel and clarify some of the views and myths that you and perhaps many newbies hold.

Firstly, the HCs scene in Singapore is unlike many of us imagine it to be as seen in the movies or as practised in other countries - i.e. the HC bosses are well connected and have the ability to take care of their gals. This is far from the truth.

The industry practice here is that if the gals get themselves into trouble, they are on their own - no boss will pay their fines or help them get off the hook (they do not have the means anyway). In fact, the HC bosses can be bloody mercenary and selfish. Even if they know AV raids are prevailing, they chose not to inform their gals for fear that less gals will turn up for work or offer limited service to customers thus affecting their business. HC employees have always been instructed not to mention recent AV raids or checks to customers for fear that customers may stay away or dare not take up specials.

Our HC bosses are no benevolent employers but real blood-suckers of the worst kind. How much you think your $38 -$50 entrance fee goes to the gal? The gals get only $5 - $7. Some got no choice but even work for free. If they don't offer special, what do the gals earn? On top of this meagre wages, the bosses levy all sorts of deductions - $50 per month for tissues and oil, $xxx for food. Then there are penalties $50 a day if absent (double or triple on weekends and public holidays), $20 for being late, etc, etc

Another myth you hold is that by admitting to AV they will not disturb you. Firstly, paying for sex is not a crime or illegal. You are not in any trouble in the first place. However, by admitting to AV that you had sex with the gal, you are actually inviting trouble for yourself. The AV will have to file report (like all public servants) and take statement from you. Cannot anyhow say one customer admitted. Must take down your details and get you to sign statement. Then if decide to prosecute, will then have to call you to attend court as witness. If you back out, then they can charge you for giving false testimony. So now you see whether you get more or less trouble by admitting or not.

Have a heart. Those HC gals are also like you and me. They got families to feed and commitments to pay. Although they are a service provider and we are their clients, it is to our benefit that they are safe. We should not say it is not of our concern. Likewise, why should it be my concern to warn bros like yourself here? We are in this forum to share and to care. We may be cheongsters but we are no bastards. This is the spirit of SBF !

May you now be more enlightened. Amituofo !

i agree with you bro. HC girls are humans also.

[hoosdathu]

support TS !

[StealthBomber]

Originally Posted by apache

...[*]Do NOT admit to being offered special by the gal when questioned by AV. If you don't admit it they have less grounds to charge her. (sidenote: one idiot customer actually admitted to AV that the gal asked him for "special" even when he was not having any - really no Practical Intelligence !)
...

Just a thought: if you don't admit to being offered special, but the gal (questioned separately) breaks down or say something wrong and admit that she gave you special - then siao liao!! Isn't it?? You would be caught red-handed not telling the truth. Likely to happen?

[lauchiolover]

Originally Posted by StealthBomber

Just a thought: if you don't admit to being offered special, but the gal (questioned separately) breaks down or say something wrong and admit that she gave you special - then siao liao!! Isn't it?? You would be caught red-handed not telling the truth. Likely to happen?

bro, i think what bro apache is trying to say is that some bros actually tell the AV that they were offered when the girl may or may not have. if you are just having a massage, even if the girl offers and you have said no, then just say no....some bros maybe buay zai.....

as for the girls, i think it takes two hands to clap....you think the girl, like you, also want to deny but worried that bros admit? this will take some time to change....there was a thread about this whether to admit or not to admit....cant find it....

IMHO, the above can only work if the door opens and nothing was seen, whether you have done it or going to do it wont really matter but if you were caught in the middle of the act when the door opens, then dont even bother to deny,....for one, if the girl or you deny, they will probably search for the condom you used cos they know almost all the girls will use condom and sure in the room somewhere.

just my opinion.

[joew2005]

i ever heard tat
: customer name register log book not placed on counter top @ recep, fine 500.
: employee attendance log book not updated, fine 500.

[Hardyboy]

If what TS said were true, it is at least better than everyone that gets raided has to close down. Then our playground will really be all gone. Better some left than none left.