Quitting SBF After 20 Years

[tankawen]

Originally Posted by Aristol

I think more than half of the members are into tcss and only sometimes into paid sex.
SBF is also very useful if you are travelling in SEA and want to try out the locals, I have always found it a very useful tool in that case.
People come and go, but good that sbf is still here.

SBF used to be good when travelling because the sharing by many bros helped to reduce the research required for first timers. Nowadays, the moderators censor everything, saying that places cannot be named in recommendations or reviews unless they are paid sponsors. Absolutely rubbish. Totally kills the spirit of sharing, which is what kept this forum vibrant in the past. Just take a look at the Ho Chi Minh City thread as an example.

[Hurricane88]

Originally Posted by tankawen

SBF used to be good when travelling because the sharing by many bros helped to reduce the research required for first timers. Nowadays, the moderators censor everything, saying that places cannot be named in recommendations or reviews unless they are paid sponsors. Absolutely rubbish. Totally kills the spirit of sharing, which is what kept this forum vibrant in the past. Just take a look at the Ho Chi Minh City thread as an example.

Good that boss @sammyboyfor reading here...I do empathize with you...

You can dun login if you think is rubbish...also can dun need go to International sub-forum since you are so unhappy...\\

Also dun need to post...

[tankawen]

Originally Posted by Hurricane88

Good that boss Sam reading here...I do empathize with you...

You can dun login if you think is rubbish...also can dun need go to International sub-forum since you are so unhappy...\\

Also dun need to post...

I was just referring to the statement of SBF being good for international mongering. At the end of the day, boss Sam started this forum, and it's his choice how he wants to run it and make money out of it.

Nowadays I just use the forum for what it is primarily - an advertisement channel, to find FLs being advertised. I'll contribute my reviews to keep what's left of it alive, but it's up to you whether to delete.

There's no need to be passive-aggressively telling people to "leave if you don't like it" when I'm just stating my opinion. As a service user, I know that I can stop logging in whenever I wish to. As a service provider, you don't need to be aggro every time someone says something you don't like to hear. It's just feedback and it's up to you and boss Sam whether to do anything about it.

[Hurricane88]

Originally Posted by tankawen

I was just referring to the statement of SBF being good for international mongering. At the end of the day, boss Sam started this forum, and it's his choice how he wants to run it and make money out of it.

Nowadays I just use the forum for what it is primarily - an advertisement channel, to find FLs being advertised. I'll contribute my reviews to keep what's left of it alive, but it's up to you whether to delete.

There's no need to be passive-aggressively telling people to "leave if you don't like it" when I'm just stating my opinion. As a service user, I know that I can stop logging in whenever I wish to. As a service provider, you don't need to be aggro every time someone says something you don't like to hear. It's just feedback and it's up to you and boss Sam whether to do anything about it.

I am just moderating and doing my job as volunteer..if you think you dislike then be it...I follow boss rules and policies...if you are a donor or Premium Membership then I will give some leverage becos you helped pay sbf...but you are not payee and yet unhappy...so jsut live as sbf is...

[tankawen]

Originally Posted by Hurricane88

I am just moderating and doing my job as volunteer..if you think you dislike then be it...I follow boss rules and policies...if you are a donor or Premium Membership then I will give some leverage becos you helped pay sbf...but you are not payee and yet unhappy...so jsut live as sbf is...

I know you're just a moderator and boss Sam has already explained his difficulties in keeping the site financially viable without selling out. I fully understand this. And my initial opinion was not a controversial one. Boss Sam had already acknowledged that the site isn't as vibrant anymore.

Anyway, I think you shouldn't have this mindset of "you're not a paying premium customer, you have no rights so shut up or leave". Yes, SBF is now mainly a B2B business, whether the main revenue stream is advertising dollars from OKTS. Only a minority of revenue comes from premium membership. That being said, non-premium members like me are still customers of your advertisers, which means we are customers of your customers.

If that's not clear enough, let's use Facebook or Coca-Cola as examples. They are B2B businesses as well. Facebook sells to advertisers, while Cola-Cola sells to bottlers and distributors. But do you think Meta/Facebook will ever tell non-paying users to "leave if you're not happy and go use tiktok instead"? Or Cola-Cola will tell end-consumers to "go drink Pepsi instead if you don't like our taste"? No, because they still need happy end-consumers to sell more advertisements or more bottles.

Anyway, I've said my piece. My original comment was purely on the over-moderation in the international forum, because it's really a shadow of what it used to be. I had benefitted very much in the past when I travelled to Tokyo, HCMC or Jakarta because of the generous sharing by fellow bros here, but now that's no longer possible.

[Hurricane88]

Originally Posted by tankawen

I know you're just a moderator and boss Sam has already explained his difficulties in keeping the site financially viable without selling out. I fully understand this. And my initial opinion was not a controversial one. Boss Sam had already acknowledged that the site isn't as vibrant anymore.

Anyway, I think you shouldn't have this mindset of "you're not a paying premium customer, you have no rights so shut up or leave". Yes, SBF is now mainly a B2B business, whether the main revenue stream is advertising dollars from OKTS. Only a minority of revenue comes from premium membership. That being said, non-premium members like me are still customers of your advertisers, which means we are customers of your customers.

If that's not clear enough, let's use Facebook or Coca-Cola as examples. They are B2B businesses as well. Facebook sells to advertisers, while Cola-Cola sells to bottlers and distributors. But do you think Meta/Facebook will ever tell non-paying users to "leave if you're not happy and go use tiktok instead"? Or Cola-Cola will tell end-consumers to "go drink Pepsi instead if you don't like our taste"? No, because they still need happy end-consumers to sell more advertisements or more bottles.

Anyway, I've said my piece. My original comment was purely on the over-moderation in the international forum, because it's really a shadow of what it used to be. I had benefitted very much in the past when I travelled to Tokyo, HCMC or Jakarta because of the generous sharing by fellow bros here, but now that's no longer possible.

I fully agree with you and when you said your piece...remember I can say mine...is all words...and nothing hurting or insulting...you can say and mod also can say....

mod always love forum and for those who contributed I always try to up their points and gave encouragement...

remember we are all human and need to be have some humility....btw hcm is only one thread and there were many threads in International sub-forum...why dun you go other threads and see how vibrant those threads were...I disagree with you for Tokyo and Jakarta threads...the threads had been well followed and many had given nice forums...

There is a new hcm sponsor and please go support...leave a forum when you support...

[Annoymous]

Originally Posted by watmidoin

I have decided to quit SBF. Again


I might come back to commercial sex yet again, but I don't know whether I'll be back with SBF. I don't know what happened, but bros don't post FRs nowadays. Without FRs, SBF is no longer a forum. It is just a listing. Dome 2 is a perfect example. Nothing but a list of PRC FLs. Dome 3 is filled with fake FRs and becoming like Dome 2. Fake FRs are also beginning to outnumber real ones in Dome L. With the situation like this, SBF might not be the best place to find FLs if and when I do return to commercial sex again. Sammy boss started this with a lot of passion and created the ultimate sex forum back then. But age has caught up with everyone, including SBF.

Wish you good health. I think SBF is almost like NS for many millennial guys in Singapore. Not too sure about Gen Z, i believe they have much more channels/platforms these days.

Unfortunately, the commercialization bit is. You can't shoot those who pay you unless, like the boss said, more bros here take up the premium membership.

One idea I have is that since quite many bros here mentioned they don't go for paid services, etc, and only come here to tcss, can there be some 'basic subscription' that costs much less (e.g. 2.99 / month like Amazon Prime)? Provided charges are discreet, I am sure more bros will take it up.

[azuretears]

Hard to see a reason why sbf cant continue to accept ad dollars in return for hosting okt ads, and at the same time, moderate in a more neutral way

Its just a matter okts and sbf admins being lazy about doing checks and verifications to ensure girls perform well, and do any investigation/customer recovery in event of bad service to confirm bad FRs

Because of the lack of trustworthy FRs, okts are likely getting much fewer customers as many here are put off by the prospects of photoshopped baby elephants with shit service. And why is that the case? Because they have no incentive to buck up since bad FRs can be deleted so easily

[dumbpayingsimp]

Originally Posted by Annoymous

Wish you good health. I think SBF is almost like NS for many millennial guys in Singapore. Not too sure about Gen Z, i believe they have much more channels/platforms these days.

Unfortunately, the commercialization bit is. You can't shoot those who pay you unless, like the boss said, more bros here take up the premium membership.

One idea I have is that since quite many bros here mentioned they don't go for paid services, etc, and only come here to tcss, can there be some 'basic subscription' that costs much less (e.g. 2.99 / month like Amazon Prime)? Provided charges are discreet, I am sure more bros will take it up.

Agree bro suggestion with the basic monthly subscription cost too. Currently the price of USD17.95/month, sorry tk say i don't see a very good reason to subscribe as the premium benefits are not so attractive.

In another perspective, USD17.95x12=215USD per year, equivalent to ~2 visits for dome 1 hahaha

Maybe a basic subscription at less than 6-8 dollars can attract more users to purchase. And maybe the users can access a special thread where it is less moderated, for users to share real FRs/thoughts (not in a way of online bashing the FL or OKT)

[Hurricane88]

Originally Posted by dumbpayingsimp

Agree bro suggestion with the basic monthly subscription cost too. Currently the price of USD17.95/month, sorry tk say i don't see a very good reason to subscribe as the premium benefits are not so attractive.

In another perspective, USD17.95x12=215USD per year, equivalent to ~2 visits for dome 1 hahaha

Maybe a basic subscription at less than 6-8 dollars can attract more users to purchase. And maybe the users can access a special thread where it is less moderated, for users to share real FRs/thoughts (not in a way of online bashing the FL or OKT)

There is a Donor subscription..do you know Donors can have triple powers and also can delete/undelete your own posts...go read the Donors benefits to find out...

Flashback when threads are not moderated..the threads will go into full war zones and nobody can posts becos all the flaming with vulgarities with big fonts in every pages...many members found those threads impossible to read or posts becos there were two or more fighting each other...finally many members or TS will go to admin/boss to come in to remove the war zones...

I remembered boss created a special sub-sub-forum for those idiots to fight...ABC VS ZYZ threads...and let them fight in the threads...guess what happened these idiots fight in so many threads whenever one starfted to post in any threads...

The No_zap zone was formed due to all these zapping and fighting..the half zap points was also introduced becos many use clones to zap...

Legal sponsor moderating iwasanother issue...let me ask anyone reading here...if a non legal sponsor posted all the details of the establishment in 5 pages of a thread...then bother to recomment and giving fake forums about the entertaiment establishment in the thread...so obvious the person was okt or owner of the establishment trying to use sbf for free...then accused moderators of over-moderating...

[Marmots]

For the forum to be viable, first the bills have to be paid.
Since the advertisers are contributing the most revenue, concessions have to be made.

To get more paying non advertisers subscribers, there will have to be incentives.
Points and power are nice but no true value.

Premium Lounge are for those who paid.
What if FRs there will not be deleted ?
Have another tier of subscribers who can enter the lounge to view the FRs and post, but no other benefits.

That could potentially address 2 key issues, new revenue and FRs.

There are of course also problems with it, but it is just a raw idea that came to me.

I feel it is something that can be discussed and worked on.

[sammyboyfor]

Originally Posted by tankawen

SBF used to be good when travelling because the sharing by many bros helped to reduce the research required for first timers. Nowadays, the moderators censor everything, saying that places cannot be named in recommendations or reviews unless they are paid sponsors. Absolutely rubbish. Totally kills the spirit of sharing, which is what kept this forum vibrant in the past. Just take a look at the Ho Chi Minh City thread as an example.

I don't see why the international section would be subject to the same moderation as the FL domes.

Can you give me an example of what was removed in the HCM thread?

[sammyboyfor]

Originally Posted by Hurricane88

I am just moderating and doing my job as volunteer..if you think you dislike then be it...I follow boss rules and policies...if you are a donor or Premium Membership then I will give some leverage becos you helped pay sbf...but you are not payee and yet unhappy...so jsut live as sbf is...

Would you remove a discussion or recommendation in the International section without it being requested by a paying advertiser?

I can understand your removal of obvious spam but if some brother here wrote a glowing recommendation regarding some broad he met is that subject to removal in the absence of an advertiser request?

[sammyboyfor]

When I created the premium forum it was my sincere hope that subscribers would use it to share stuff that they are reluctant to disclose in the open sections

Sadly the critical mass never developed. People subscribe just to want to the photos. There are only a few kind hearted souls who actually volunteer to help out with the overheads.

Originally Posted by Marmots

For the forum to be viable, first the bills have to be paid.
Since the advertisers are contributing the most revenue, concessions have to be made.

To get more paying non advertisers subscribers, there will have to be incentives.
Points and power are nice but no true value.

Premium Lounge are for those who paid.
What if FRs there will not be deleted ?
Have another tier of subscribers who can enter the lounge to view the FRs and post, but no other benefits.

That could potentially address 2 key issues, new revenue and FRs.

There are of course also problems with it, but it is just a raw idea that came to me.

I feel it is something that can be discussed and worked on.

[tankawen]

Originally Posted by sammyboyfor

I don't see why the international section would be subject to the same moderation as the FL domes.

Can you give me an example of what was removed in the HCM thread?

Hi Boss Sam. Thanks for taking the time to reply.

There were specific posts that were removed already, so I cannot quote them specifically. For example, referring to this post:
https://sbf.today/showpost.php?...postcount=4952

The post on Day 1 by bro Rey85 was deleted already, so I wouldn't be able to state what was being moderated. But within this post on Day 2 itself, another name was also deleted within the post.

There were other posts removed too, for mentioning "non sponsors". Just to quote a couple of examples:
https://sbf.today/showpost.php?...postcount=4145
https://sbf.today/showpost.php?...postcount=4179

I think Mod Hurricane88 also stated a certain spa's name is entirely banned from being mentioned:

Originally Posted by Hurricane88

Anyone discuss the illegal non-sponsor will be deleted...even if short form...although you can still search for info whatever in the past...

L* or L*** C***** or whatever format are illegal non-sponsor...

mod will not allow any discussion in this thread...pls feel free to post other topics or entertainment places...

And we can't even PM bros who have written reviews and have had their posts deleted to ask for contacts:

Originally Posted by Hurricane88

I am getting suspicious of all this newbie asking for okt contact...I suspect okt is trying to gain something here without paying sbf...bro GreenTea and mod is fully aware of this...

@Rey85...pls do not PM/DM illegal non-sponsor okt contact in sbf...mod may take action if any...

I'm not some OKT or agent trying to promote that place, but I've been to that place before after reading about it previously on the forum, and it's a pretty decent place for first-timers to HCM to check out because of how fuss-free it is. Have recommended it to my personal friends when they went to Vietnam, and they liked it too. But too bad any mention of it has been banned since last year. So a newbie going to the thread wouldn't know about it.

Anyway, I had already said my piece, and as a non-premium member, I guess I have no say, so I am gonna just leave it as that. I'm only replying now because you took the time to reply and ask for examples.

Don't get me wrong. I know Mod Hurricane88 doesn't have an easy task, especially as a volunteer. It's a thankless job. My initial remark was purely directed at the International Section, and I totally understand why the various Domes are being run the way they are now. I have many fond memories after more than a decade being on this forum, so it'd be a sad day for me if this place really dies out