All you need to know about "Marriage/Divorce" under the SG Law

[Lawless21]

Originally Posted by FireShark

Hi Big Sexy

There are few question I would like to ask on behalf for my friend.

My friend intend to divorce and had 2 kids. My friends had been staying different room with his wife for at least 3 years plus and had not been making love with his wife since then. Both of them had not been in good communication since 2006 and recently my friend brought up the matter to me about divorce. There are several questions he asked me but I couldn't answer.
a) How long he need to wait before the full divorce completion? He agreed to pay alimony to his wife and children and also intend to give his 4room flat to his wife. This 4 room flat was bought by both of them but my friend had been contributing the CPF payment.

b) How much is the alimony need to pay monthly?

c) What is the cost for a divorce?

rest of bros correct me if i'm wrong..

a) so long as both sides agree to story, can straight away go ahead file divorce on grounds of separation. simply becos both have been in diff rooms (even tho in same house) for over 3yrs. just write that point on grounds of separation.

c) 2.5 to 3K, depending on lawyer's charges. provided it's a straightforward one. more charges if go thru extra stuff (correspondence, PTC, to thrash out disagreements/disputes).

[cereal-killer]

i got a question from a friend and I couldn't answer him ROFL...

Question : If you're paying maintenence to ex-wife or child... what happens when she re-marries ? Does that mean one can stop paying altogether ?

[Lawless21]

Originally Posted by cereal-killer

i got a question from a friend and I couldn't answer him ROFL...

Question : If you're paying maintenence to ex-wife or child... what happens when she re-marries ? Does that mean one can stop paying altogether ?

yes.

go to women's charter statute (avail online). para 117 (under part X chapter 4) spell it out. unless the circumstances of the divorce is different. lawyer knows best.

[Big Sexy]

You will have to pay your wife maintenance until the death of either party or upon the remarriage of the wife. Therefore, if your wife re-marries, you can stop paying her maintenance, but if you re-marry, you must continue to pay her maintenance.

Originally Posted by cereal-killer

Question : If you're paying maintenence to ex-wife or child... what happens when she re-marries ? Does that mean one can stop paying altogether ?

[voka_blue]

Seeking Advice on Women's Chapter

I have received a summons regarding order under Section 67 of the Women's Charter, Chapter 353.

An order made against me excluding me from the home where the Appicant resides.

The meaning of resides means the current place she is living now or the address stated on her ic. As currently she have lived with her parents now. Therefore need some big brothers for advice which address they are refering at

[cereal-killer]

Originally Posted by Big Sexy

You will have to pay your wife maintenance until the death of either party or upon the remarriage of the wife. Therefore, if your wife re-marries, you can stop paying her maintenance, but if you re-marry, you must continue to pay her maintenance.

How about child maintenence ? I was tolld by some its up till child is 21yo

[cereal-killer]

Originally Posted by voka_blue

Seeking Advice on Women's Chapter

I have received a summons regarding order under Section 67 of the Women's Charter, Chapter 353.

An order made against me excluding me from the home where the Appicant resides.

The meaning of resides means the current place she is living now or the address stated on her ic. As currently she have lived with her parents now. Therefore need some big brothers for advice which address they are refering at

what is stated in sec67, WC Chapt 353 ? I ran thru the chapter 353, but can't seem to find sec67.

[Big Sexy]

read here
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Originally Posted by cereal-killer

How about child maintenence ? I was tolld by some its up till child is 21yo

[voka_blue]

Originally Posted by cereal-killer

what is stated in sec67, WC Chapt 353 ? I ran thru the chapter 353, but can't seem to find sec67.

I went to the family court that day ... she applied for DEO to kick me out of the house, beside that, she even reported to the police of those emails and calls to her .. how i want to settle the divorce with her & the children ... this is a sick person who always like to report to the police. And now I'm dealing with this kind of sick person.

[blurblur1705200]

Hi, i had a qustion from my friend. She and your hubby had been married for over 20yrs. They had joint account for banks, private housing and stock etc. Now her husband confessed that he had a woman and 2 kids overseas(indonesia). He claimed that he did not registered marriage over there. The questions are:

1) Can the mistress and her 2 kids come to singapore and "share" the
assets if he passed away(he's quite rich though)?

2) And if he had set aside a will to give the mistress family a share of the
assets, can the mistress fight for more in Singapore?

Your help is greatly appreciated. Thanks

[84gunner]

Even before I quit SG, I have already lost all faith in the policies and laws in SG!

Reading many bros' complaints about the WC, and the unfairness in SG's laws, I really sympathise with bros here. I myself have been thru the ordeal. And the ordeal I went thru is quite lengthy too. Even fighting over the T & C took more than 1 year, it was never discussed directly with each other but via our lawyers. She was really stubborn and headstrong, at 1 point, both our lawyers were even thinking of giving up our case. Needless to say, my lawyer's bill came to 5 digit figure. I even had to borrow to pay off my legal bill.

Divorce is not a crime, but still, I was marginalised at work. Nothing I can do about it. Then came the economic recession, needless to say, when it comes to retrenchment, I was 1 of the 1st on the list. I was in and out of employment 4 times in 1 year during those days! I was left with huge debts, that I had to work 3 jobs (day / evening / night jobs) a day, slept average of 3 hrs daily and on the brink of survival. Those days, colleagues, clients and boss in my evening / night jobs that knew about my predicament pity me, often ta bao supper (fried rice, fried noodles) for me. I ate 2 meals daily only, so, often, 1 meal of the day is treated by others. I still remember, my lady boss and another colleague made a polite joke, that they like to ta bao / treat me, because I eat every single grain of the rice, every single strain of noodle, I ate them all up totally clean, can use as mirror! While many people, especially youngsters, like to waste food, no finishing up the food. They feel good to see that I appreciate the food they bought. Yes, I felt like a beggar, but I couldn't care anymore, survival is the only thing in my mind.

Then came a job offer from overseas. Of course, in my mind, I was dying to get outta SG even before that job offer came. Partly, to leave that miserable and unfair place. But a bigger cause is, to get outta the vicious lifestyle / financial cycle of working yr whole life for yr HDB flat, the materialistic chase (or be marginalised), etc. After getting yr salary, start paying off bills and instalments. Then gotta plan the budget and live till next pay day. This vicious cycle will go on for the rest of yr life in SG, unless either u get out (of SG), or there is a "breakthrough" or miracle. I dun buy lotteries (not interested), so this possibility is out for me.

I thought to myself, good, now there is a 2nd chance in life for me to prove myself, get outta SG, to a country I'd never been before (I haven't been to many other countries that time, except Msia and a few times, Indo), nobody knows me, it's a totally new environment for me, everyone interacts with me based on my personality / character, how much I achieve in my career depends solely on my merits / capability, I shouldn't feel marginalised anymore. My achievements will depend solely on my capability. If I don't achieve anything / much, then the problem is with my capability, not SG, not other people's problem, but mine. But If I achieve much more / better than in SG, then let my achievements be facts to prove to myself and my family.

When I left SG, I had only 1 huge suitcase of clothes and 1k SGD cash with me, those are good wishes ang baos from relatives and loans from overdrafts till the max (credit limit). I was in huge debts, no other resources / help I could get already. When I reached the new country, the company will only pay for my lodging in a 3-star hotel for 1 week. I am supposed to take care of my own accomodation. I was totally new to the country and the environment, but I had to be quick. This chance is not easy to come by, and if I didn't put in enough effort and screwed it up, I think I'll regret it for rest of my life. So I searched and rented an apartment, learnt to take public transport all within 1 week. After paying for the rental and deposit and budgetting for transportation, I don't have enough for meals till my 1st pay day. I arrived after HR did their payroll run, so I had to wait for next month's pay day. I ate mostly lunch (with colleagues) during working days. I thought of asking the company for some salary advance to help ease the transition, but I was thinking, maybe better not, so as not to leave a negative impression. Whenever I meet clients for dinners, it's with my senior colleagues / superiors, so I get to eat dinner at company's expense, my colleagues pay the bill and get reimbursed. When I got my 1st paycheck, I heaved a huge sigh of relief!

All these are quite some years ago, till today, no regrets, no looking back at divorcing, and leaving SG. If I didn't divorce, I'm unlikely able to get outta SG, and I'd very likely still be stuck in the vicious lifestyle / financial cycle.

All the above that I went through, is no fault of mine! Thanks to the "gangmen" policies, education "system", environment and laws of SG...

[84gunner]

SG's laws and policies, especially nowadays, are set by people sitting in air-con offices all day long. Those people don't see / understand the things going on on the streets / grounds.

The WC was legislated to help and protect women during that time in history, where many either had little or no education at all. Those women are often abused and really pathetic. But nowadays, how many of such women still exist in SG? And pappy keep broaching every now and then, that they will implement / change the laws and policies to keep up with the times. Nowadays, we see more of the WC being manipulated to the advantage of women, and often, deal a brutal or even deadly blow to many men.

In many parts of Europe and US, many couples cohabitat rather than get married. 1 of the reasons is, they save legal fees when they split. Even when they start to cohabitat, buy property together, they make a list of who buy what / spent on what. When they split, often, they are also "steady" enough to take whatever they deserve / belongs to them, many are also willing and negotiable. It's kinda culture to them now. So even when they just started with each other, in really sweet "honeymoon" period, they still do that (making a list). And of course, they hope that they will never need to use that list.

Look at the divorces in SG, often, the women are not even "steady" enough. They want everything, and the best of all the worlds. Several female ang moh colleagues also told me, they pity the guys when they hear girls telling the guys, "if you love me, you will buy this for me, or you will do that for me". The ang moh girls told me, that is emotional blackmail. If a person really loves his / her bf / gf, then he / she will not use emotional blackmail. If he / she use emotional blackmail, that means he / she doesn't really love the other party.

With those spoilt and demanding girls in SG, and SG's laws, it's no wonder that more SG men are marrying their more gentle, well-mannered, understanding, willing-to-please and less demanding counterparts from neighbouring countries. Especially with globalisation and emergence of budget airlines, it makes the regional girls even easier for SG men to access.

The gahmen has been publicising statistics every now and then, that in recent years, more and more SG men are marrying regional girls, more and more SG girls are left on the shelf (not getting married). With such statistics, the gahmen is still stubbornly keeping the WC, and even discussing further tightening the laws and protection of women. Well, of course, you can see that the discussions on tightening is driven by SG women. And 1 of the excuses of not wanting SG girls to do NS (not necessarily in the military; isn't the gahmen lamenting that there is shortage of manpower in hospitals / public medical sector? Girls can supplement the shortage in this area, it's even useful during times of unrest / war!) is, it will delay the career advancement of the girls, thus leading them to marry later, have babies later. Today, many SG girls are still marrying later, or not even wanting to get married, and those married, many are not willing to have babies! And the men still have to shoulder their responsibilities of bringing the bread home, providing for the family.

The issue with SG men is being too chee hong and not united enough. If SG men are more determined and united, they could ignore those spoilt and demanding SG girls. Whenever the need to release, go to WLs. Ya, maybe the gahmen may clamp down on the red light districts and WLs, but they also have to weigh and face the consequences sex crimes shooting sky high. Even if they really managed to totally clamp down on all forms of WLs, SG men can still easily access regional girls. As mentioned above, especially with budget airlines and globalisation. Unless SG wanna close up it's economy and implement travel policies like communist countries.

[Frankiestine]

Bro 84gunner, understand how you feeling. I been through too those days of joblessness and feeling useless. But I survive through it all, bankruptcy and all. I won't say I am out of the woods already cos I am still serving my bankruptcy repayment thou it not much each month. But got to keep believing things will only get better cos when you hit rock bottom there is only one way to look and that is up.

[84gunner]

Originally Posted by Frankiestine

Bro 84gunner, understand how you feeling. I been through too those days of joblessness and feeling useless. But I survive through it all, bankruptcy and all. I won't say I am out of the woods already cos I am still serving my bankruptcy repayment thou it not much each month. But got to keep believing things will only get better cos when you hit rock bottom there is only one way to look and that is up.

Hi bro Frankie,
thanks for your consolation and understanding. The above that I wrote are past now. After my 1st pay check outside SG, I'd been doing better than even the best days I had in SG. Though there are also ups and downs, but the downs are still higher than the best days when I was in SG. Just that I happen to see some postings which makes me shake my head, and of course, re-affirm that till today, no regrets, no looking back at my divorce and quitting and leaving SG. I'm very blessed and happy, and appreciate that my partner now loves me more than I love her, she knows my past and understanding and patient enough, and very supportive too. Though at the moment, we are more than 10,000 km apart. I didn't expect to be together with ang moh, I believe this is Fate.

Seems that the Gangmen (肛门) is simply sitting in air-con offices these years, didn't really see / understand things that rae going on on the streets / ground. Of course, I think the other factor is they are also squeezed by their wives and fellow female pappy colleagues, who are SG women!

SG is so outdated, I would say even China is more advanced and fair. Pre-nuptial agreements can be legally binding, assets of the individual before marriage remains the assets of the individual at time of divorce. In SG, all these are superceded and made invalid by the WC (really feels more like toilet). In China, the Judge may also view circumstances, allocate more assets to a party in the event of divorce, for his / her sacrifice / contribution to the marriage and family, and the capability to survive and live after the divorce. Many PRCs are also steady, as they said, give the other party a way to survive / live too (放人家一条生路). While in SG, seems everything is go by the books. Yes, the so claimed 1st World society, 1st world education.

Many countries are laughing, that there are laws in SG legislated to require children to take care of parents? Especially in Asia, isn't this 1 of the core moral values? And the fact that there are really parents suing children for maintenance, is really shocking! It means their relationship has broken down to the point of irreparable, all faces torn. That much for the education system and environment in SG!

[Frankiestine]

Well they are not called the Familee Cock for nothing..when we say I do...we really mean "Ah Du" in pain...