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Re: Liverpool Fc @ Anfield - Reds Supporters Gatherings

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Re: Liverpool Fc @ Anfield - Reds Supporters Gatherings

At last, Rafa retained the same side from the Villa game.
Reaping the rewards!!!!
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Re: Liverpool Fc @ Anfield - Reds Supporters Gatherings

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At last, Rafa retained the same side from the Villa game.
Reaping the rewards!!!!
Pool didn't win becoz Rafa retained the same side that played against Villa.

Pool won becoz of all quick passing done to stretch the opponents' defence in numbers ... which incidentally was what Pool has been all about since Keegan & Dalglish playing days - the very reason a certain 8-year-old me got hooked into being a life-long die-hard.

Pool won big becoz of all the donkey work done by Sissoko, which in turn frustrated the opponents' defence in numbers ... which then saw the red card being flashed. When Pool is passing & moving so well, how not to score 2 more goals against 10 men??

Ever wondered why Rafa used up all 3 subs but didn't bring Sissoko out, despite the commentator saying "I'd definitely consider that to make sure he doesn't get a 2nd yellow & hafta sit out future matches"??
He knows very well that Sissoko's donkey work was the only reason Pool had the upper-hand in the game at that stage ... & by removing Sissoko, not only will the donkey work not be done, it could well spur the opponents into a comeback ... well, this is of course just me, in retrospect.
On the other hand, this is the very reason why Rafa is a genius paid millions to do his job, while you & I are here to TCSS.
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Re: Liverpool Fc @ Anfield - Reds Supporters Gatherings

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Re: Liverpool Fc @ Anfield - Reds Supporters Gatherings

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Pool didn't win becoz Rafa retained the same side that played against Villa.
It is the same side that won with that type of passing that kill Villa.
Same side.......
It takes time for a team to play as team and why do u want to change a winning team....
Only a "idiot" will do that.....
Hope they can carry this winning form into EPL with Stevie G....
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Re: Liverpool Fc @ Anfield - Reds Supporters Gatherings

Liverpool vs Bordeaux: Our CL goals can be seen from here

3-0 up
Same 11 played against Villa
Strongest 11 played
A convincing performance!

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Re: Liverpool Fc @ Anfield - Reds Supporters Gatherings

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It is the same side that won with that type of passing that kill Villa.
Same side.......
It takes time for a team to play as team and why do u want to change a winning team....
Winning team is not first XI only, it's the whole squad. IMO the team, same one, didn't play as well against Bord as against Villa.

It takes time for a squad to be trained to play as a team. Get behind Rafa on this.

Don't buy the crap the British press print - always targeting Rafa - rotation, Stevie on the right, zonal marking. They have only one point of view ("British") and have difficulty accepting methods from other countries/leagues.
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Re: Liverpool Fc @ Anfield - Reds Supporters Gatherings

Don't buy the crap the British press print - always targeting Rafa - rotation, Stevie on the right, zonal marking. They have only one point of view ("British") and have difficulty accepting methods from other countries/leagues.[/QUOTE]
yup its all abt selling papers,the british think that thier football is the best,we all saw how pathetic england was in the wc.
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Re: Liverpool Fc @ Anfield - Reds Supporters Gatherings

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Same side.......
It takes time for a team to play as team and why do u want to change a winning team....
Only a "idiot" will do that.....
Read this, mate ...

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drill...61101-1229.htm

You may eventually fathom the profound theories usually easily grasped by the minority of geniuses.
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Re: Liverpool Fc @ Anfield - Reds Supporters Gatherings

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Don't buy the crap the British press print - always targeting Rafa - rotation, Stevie on the right, zonal marking. They have only one point of view ("British") and have difficulty accepting methods from other countries/leagues.
Funny you should mention the myths about rotation, Stevie on the right, zonal marking ...
Ref the article I quoted above, here's what's been put forth to debunk these myths ... or even untruths, as how the more knowledgeable fans (like the ones on the Kop) would readily label:


Zonal marking

Let's start with the grand folly that is zonal marking – or so you might have been led to think. Or maybe you've read this column before, and discovered that Liverpool were actually the most successful team at defending set pieces last season?

In 2005/06 the Reds conceded only four league goals from corners and indirect free-kicks; or one every nine games, compared with Chelsea, the next-best team, and their rate of one every six games.

This season the Reds' figure stands at one such goal conceded from ten league games, and that was way back on the opening day; so a further improvement. And yet still, despite all this, not a single game goes by without zonal marking being mentioned by commentators, with the inference that Liverpool are dodgy at set pieces.

Steven Gerrard is better in the centre

Last season for Liverpool, Gerrard played over 1500 minutes on the right of midfield, compared with more than 2600 minutes centrally (split fairly evenly between a standard midfield role, and that of the second forward). He was productive wherever he played, scoring and creating aplenty, although his personal figures were slightly higher in a central role.

But Liverpool won by far the most points (in all competitions, using three points for cup wins as well) when he was on the right wing: 2.30 per game, compared with 1.89 when central. On the whole, the fixtures where he was used on the right were arguably tougher than average, and predominately away games.

Isn't it Benítez's job to win games, rather than make the side merely a showcase for Steven Gerrard's great talents? Isn't it about getting the best out of all eleven players, with the correct blend? Gerrard might catch the eye more centrally, but results tend to be better when he's on the right.

But the right wing is just a starting position. When Gerrard drifts inside he can quickly change the dynamics of a game; putting a defence under pressure with his movement and creating space for others, as he did for the third goal this weekend.

With Sissoko and Alonso the type of midfielders who rarely get ahead of the ball, it needs darting runs infield from the wings; so long as others cover the captain when he wanders, and that's down to the two central players a lot of the time. The bonus is that when Gerrard stays out wide he can deliver superb crosses, while also having the stamina, pace and tackling ability to do the ugly work, too.

Rotation, and the new 'Tinkerman'

What I don't get is that going into last weekend's fixtures, Benítez had made only one change more than Alex Ferguson in the Premiership: 30, to 29. Chelsea were the third-most rotated team. So rotation, as a concept, doesn't work? Hmm...

Meanwhile, Arsenal kept the same team as the weekend before, and dropped two more points at home. No one blamed it on having a settled side. But why should they?

Another irritant is that rotation has been heavily criticised after Liverpool defeats this season – but the '99 games since last unchanged line-up' got brought up as a criticism too, as if it was been a problem for 99 games. Which, clearly, is insane. Why did no one actually bother to look at the results over those 99 games?

Let me remind people that despite the stuttering start to this season, Liverpool had won 60 out of the previous 100 games, which is easy to work out at 60%. Or in other words, the kind of win percentage that used to land Liverpool the league. (The average over those 18 league titles is also 60% of games won.)

Times have changed. As an example, the Reds secured the league in 1984 with a mere 52.4% win rating, drawing 14 games and losing six of the 42 matches. That many draws alone would be the same as losing more than eight games in the modern points system, and that's on top of the six actual defeats; so the dropped points would now be the same as 14 defeats in a season (or 12-13 in a 38 game season).

I don't wish to knock that great side's achievement, as it was a case of doing what was required at the time (not to mention it being part of a stunning treble). But that was back then. Alex Ferguson never rotated in 1986, when he took charge of Manchester United; but he has for the last decade or so. He moved with the times.

The Reds' 99 game run covered all competitions, of course, and included domestic cup games, which could be said to be easier. But in a bizarre quirk of the luck of the draw, Benítez has yet to face a side lower that mid-table in the Championship since his arrival, and has faced mostly Premiership sides. No lower or non-league opposition in the last two years, unlike Manchester United.

That run of 99 games also included an incredible ten games against Chelsea, that show how tough the fixture list has been in that time, plus four against United. And more importantly than anything else, it included the European Cup, World Club Championship and FA Cup finals, the former and latter of which were won. We're not talking easy games here.

Some say only rotate when you're winning. But rotate a winning side and lose, and you'd hear "you never change a winning team".

As I've said in recent weeks, there were a number of factors at work in the disappointing start: dips in individual form, silly mistakes, bad finishing, near misses (the Reds have now hit the woodwork a staggering 14 times this season), all leading to a dip in the collective confidence. You need luck, too. At the Reebok the officials turned the game in Bolton's favour, while at the weekend Luis Garcia was offside in a sublime team goal; neither of which had anything to do with rotation.



The above (in red) were extracts of what was written by Paul Tomkins, author of:
1) The Red Review (released today)
2) Red Revival
3) Golden Past, Red Future.
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Re: Liverpool Fc @ Anfield - Reds Supporters Gatherings

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Funny you should mention the myths about rotation, Stevie on the right, zonal marking ...
Ref the article I quoted above, here's what's been put forth to debunk these myths ... or even untruths, as how the more knowledgeable fans (like the ones on the Kop) would readily label:


Absolutely spot on. And while are we at it, get rid also of the British commentators (former Pool players included) and their one track minds. hell making money and confusing fans without doing proper research and analysis.
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Absolutely spot on. And while are we at it, get rid also of the British commentators (former Pool players included) and their one track minds. hell making money and confusing fans without doing proper research and analysis.
If I'm not wrong, Andy Gray is quite bias against Liverpool.
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If I'm not wrong, Andy Gray is quite bias against Liverpool.
You're right bro, he was from Everton wasn't he? But more disappointing are the ex-Pool players telling Rafa how he should play Stevie and choose the players.
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Re: Liverpool Fc @ Anfield - Reds Supporters Gatherings

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You're right bro, he was from Everton wasn't he? But more disappointing are the ex-Pool players telling Rafa how he should play Stevie and choose the players.
Its not usual for those ex-players to make comments..

1st, they are paid to do so..
2nd, they come from the golden era..

But of course despite all their sucess, I believe some are to harsh with their comments...

Football has changed with time but most of them still have the 80s thinking..

But I still do respect them, cos they been there, done it...
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