Dragon HC 2

[Zack Tan]

Hi,
I'm a regular of DHC but seldom post here. I fully concur with bro. Highlife's view and the points that he is making to try to defuse the tension between a unhappy customer (in this case bro. WWEF) and the gals. I can also attest to the "pricing" scheme as outlined by him. So actually bro. WWEF there is no need for you to react the way you had or feel that the gal is taking you for a ride. In all commercial transactions, there must be a willing seller and a willing buyer. If you feel that the price or whatever terms and conditions are not acceptable to you, you can either abort or re-negotiate the transaction. This can be done calmly and in an adult manner. As bro. Highlife pointed out that lest we forget the gals are human too and deserved some respect and humanilty. Most of these gals make sacrifices for nobler causes and lives are tough for them ( just imagine servicing 6-8 men per day) and still have to keep smiling. We should not deprive them their dues. Unfortunately in our society not many people can feel for the gals like bro. Highlife.
This led me to the point now that this is why I do not encourage samsters to write very details and sordid frs and disclose the prices. In all fairness and respect for the gals' privacy, it is best to keep these details between yourself and the gals. In my years of cheongings, I have seen many cases of customers unreasonable demands and abuses such as the one described by bro. Highlife concerning Winter. Some of the gems sadly have left our shore because of this. Don't get me wrong, these gals are no saint themselves. They do make mistakes and wrongs as well but most of them do display some pride and integrity. If you treat them nicely and with respect, I'm sure they will more than reciprocate the same.
Cheers,
Zack

[WWEF]

Originally Posted by HighLife

Dear Bro WWEF,

I empthaise with your situation. Nonetheless will like to address my comments as follows :

Hello Bro Highlife, this reply will be long, with spelling errors,so pls be patient with me.

"then why you still insist to tip her with the extra, this part I am puzzled"
i was not prepared to pay her 150, but i realised that if i went off like tat, she makes no money at all and, to me thats the reason she kept apologizing
to me. The word "insist" is abit over the top, i suppose.

"with your logic, don't you fear of incurring the wrath of them all"
How should i put it? First of all i m quite frankly DISAPPOINTED with U for even saying that.Are u trying to direct all the flames over to me now?
OK, back to the topic.
I have never ever in no way said that those who pay 150 are all "CAI TAO".
If i looked stupid in a suit does not mean all the ppl wearing them are idiots.
The money is theirs and they can do watever the hell they like to do with it.
Who m i to even judge them? I myself have pay 200+ for a FJ B4 cos i felt it was worth it.so maybe it would be fair if i said she was not worth 150, would u accept my answer?

"The FJ in DHC is 150 for 1st timer and 120 for regulars"
that, i dont agree. i was charged 120 at DHC during my first visit there.
BUT, i said it b4, i will say it again, it WAS NEVER ABOUT THE EXTRA $.

Carnation, after knowing that i did not wan the FJ, actually offered it to be 120.(this i forget to mention in my so-called-FR)If u dont believe u can check it out with her yourself. And bro, this is 1 of the reasons i am upset.
Why did she lower it down to 120 later?
Do u really think that my black face can do that? if like that she might as well push it down to 100 to make me smile...
To me the Reason is simple, she wanted to "tok" me, seeing that i was quite new and blur, and after she failed to do so, decided to revert back to 120.
that, to u might be the COMMAN PRACTICE (who dun wan to earn more $?), but to me i felt insulted like i am desperate for her. And most importantly, i felt that i looked stupid, to her.

"Finally, to me you need not get angry and stomped out of the room"
This, bro i agree. after a day i cooling down i realised that i might had behaved like a spoilt brat.but pls do understand at that time i felt like a low IQ idiot and of course i was that angry.

"WLs are also human and they deserve respect"
i did not shout at her, push her in any way, and i did not throw the money at her face.This i can SWEAR.
Worst, i could have taken up the offer for 120, then insult her during the FJ,
then pay her 100 buck, like wat the motherfucker did to winter.
I, did not. i admit it did cross my mind, but i did not, and WILL not.
I left the room. Thats all i did.

Hey, Bro highlife, i think u have misunderstood me as a person angry over a mere $30( 150- 120).As for your views on standard pricing in HC, i am sorry that i still dont agree with u. But wat the heck, TO EACH HIS OWN. I expect a certain degree of flaming after this(for that CAI TAO SHIT), but i am no coward.Perhaps PRIDE got the better of me during my session with Carnation, but i will never change the way i think or behave.

Finally i am glad to say that i dun feel THAT piss off with carnation anymore.
And who knows, in a matter of weeks, i could be back in DHC with Carnation.
Just Fuck and Forget issnt it? i am hot headed but no petty person.
Cheers

[HighLife]

Thanks to Bro Zack, I feel indeed humbled by your accolades........

I am strong believer in according the WLs the due respect in whatever way. The best way is the payment which I just addressed but the FRs that we wrote I believe also play an important part.

Bro Zack, I fully agree that we shld respect the privacy of the WLs and shld not write detailed or flowery FRs, even if that amplifies the attractivness of the gals. But based on those flowery FRs written on Carnation thus far, I perceive that most of them are writing to glory in their conquest of a well known pretty WL rather than complimenting abt her service. As we can see, the focus of such FRs is mostly on the cheongster and it defeat the chief purpose of a FR which is to provide comments or views abt the skills, attitude, service and physical traits etc. of the WL.

Taking the latest FR by 7 Even on Carnation, after reading through the whole lengthy post with all kinds of lusty details, at best one can gather is how much he enjoy in getting his lust fulfilled without shedding major light on the service and skills of Carnation.

Such FRs may give fellow samsters wrong impression as each FJ with customer for a WL is unique........what one experiences may not be the same for another. So when some newbie read such juicy FR on Carnation, and when after he tried out, become very disappointed........to me, not fair to both the cheongster and WL. Simply put, a WL has to serve so many customers a day....under different feelings, circumstances the treatment may differ but standard will maintain. So IMHO, those juicy details should not be exposed too openly.

I once heard from a DHC gal that she would rather samsters do not elaborate too much into details & process when writing FRs. I fully idenitify with that. The privacy of a WL deserved to be protected as well and they cannot commit themselves to render the same kind of treatment to every customer, but for sure the standards in HJ/BJ/FJ will always be maintained.

We are all adults in SB. We ought to learn be responsible for the FRs we wrote. The chief purpose of a FR is for info sharing on that specific WL........not for the objective of boasting one's sexual exploilt or conquest of another ang pai........

I really dunno for what reasons, there is an recent influx of FRs on Carnation that focus on how the bros manage to subdue her and so on.........I know she will not be affected by it. So perhaps conscience wise, we could check ourselves, are we overly inflating our male ego at the expense of intruding into the privacy of a WL who is just striving to do her best in her job ?

Carnation is a very nice gal with great attitude and service. She has grown a lot since she started, both in terms of attitude and service. She certainly deserve our respect. Thereby, I appeal here for all to render her the due respect that she deserves, be it in payment for FJ or writing FRs abt her.

[infinitiumus]

Let me also have my 2 cents worth.

I believe we do not have too much fuss about the gals.

Talking about respect for privacy and respect for the gals is something that I would steer clear. Of course, we should never abuse the position we are in. I don't respect the gals and similarly I dun't expect anything in return. As long as we are factual in our FR and not boasting or exaggerating, I believe it is up to each individual to pen his FR. There were a lot of instances in which the gals also do no respect our privacy and have leaked out certain private info that we exchanged to her with other customer. She may have done it unconsciously but nevertheless, it is best we keep the transaction a purely commercial one. Telling bro here not to tell too juicy details I believe is not necessary, if someone want to sian and boast, I believe we are mature enough to see through it. Anyway what is written here is not that important - we do not have to take it so seriously.

The Sex is just a commercial transaction and to be executed in a commercial and professional manner. We pay the money and expect a certain amount of service in return. If we got bad service, just our luck and change to another gal next time. If the service is good and we think the price is acceptable we will then RTF. I have a regular in Dragon in which I visit almost every week without fail (unless she is not working) and this has been going for 3 years. And there are some that I visit just once or never.

As for the pricing - standard price or not, it shall be left to each individual to decide. Either to ask the price up front - basically u will then be treated like a newbie and "may" be charged the higher $150 or just pay $120 without asking.

[Xuhong]

Hey brudders, just been new here...so anyway i know its kinda late posting so well anyone wanna show me the world of DHC later?heheh wanna try it out since im on leave and is hard on!

[HighLife]

Bro Infin,

You are assuming that people who visit this forum are all adults ?

Yes, they are in age but not in heart.

Look at how the reput system has been abused..........I always wonder whether people who wrote all these flowery FRs just aim to score with their writings........anyway, the forum serves as the platform for info sharing and thus not one's recounting of his own sexual conquest or fulfilment of sexual fantasy, with such abuse will only lead to problems for both cheongsters and the WLs........We are all adults who shld learn to be responsible for our own actions (in this case FR writing), as it may bring undesirable repurcussions. When writing a FR, pls learn to spare a thought for the other bros here plus the WL herself.

WLs are also human and they are all gals at heart......They all deserve our respect. Commerical Sex is an adult game with no feelings attached, but like any business transactions, there is untold rules of conduct, which is whatever is private or confidential should not be leaked out.....what I am advocating here is purely the initiative to be grown up adults who can play the game well, respect and honour the rules of conduct and cheong with some integrity & diginity !

[7even]

Hey bro, not CIM lah...ofcourse I still have to put on the CD....when I say washing my dick, i am refering to washing it with CD. As for the kissing, I would suggest that you try eating some mint like clorets to clear your bad breath before approaching the girl. This is something that I always do and so far it has proven to be working. One thing for sure, she did not allow frenching...

My FR is not meant for her, it is for those who are thinking of bonking her.

[7even]

Originally Posted by HighLife

Bro Infin,

You are assuming that people who visit this forum are all adults ?

Yes, they are in age but not in heart.

Look at how the reput system has been abused..........I always wonder whether people who wrote all these flowery FRs just aim to score with their writings........anyway, the forum serves as the platform for info sharing and thus not one's recounting of his own sexual conquest or fulfilment of sexual fantasy, with such abuse will only lead to problems for both cheongsters and the WLs........We are all adults who shld learn to be responsible for our own actions (in this case FR writing), as it may bring undesirable repurcussions. When writing a FR, pls learn to spare a thought for the other bros here plus the WL herself.

WLs are also human and they are all gals at heart......They all deserve our respect. Commerical Sex is an adult game with no feelings attached, but like any business transactions, there is untold rules of conduct, which is whatever is private or confidential should not be leaked out.....what I am advocating here is purely the initiative to be grown up adults who can play the game well, respect and honour the rules of conduct and cheong with some integrity & diginity !

Hey dude, what do you mean by private and confidential? Sex to me is sex and the reason I am booking carnation is purely sex. As long as we f and we pay, and we dont force the WLs doign something they dislike, i think it is already a fair deal.

As for the FRs, I think everybody should have the right to say what they want as long as it is true. I suspect the reason why you get so pissed, might be due to fact that you have develop some kinda feelings for the WLs.

I think respect and honour should be thrown out of this forum. We visit HC to enjoy ourselve, not act like we are running a campaign for Protect the WLs Foundation.

Btw, dont need to accuse me of making up story just because you havent been kissed by carnation before.

[7even]

Originally Posted by WWEF

well i guess after her encounter with me she will stop insisting on 150 liao.
good 4 u to get her at the standard price, n well u sure have enjoyed the FJ.
btw, nice FR.
regards.

Since you dont really know carnation very well, I think it will be advisable for you to spend about 10 mins TKSS with her first before touching on the topic about sex. You make her happy she will make your bro happy too.

[kilrein]

I agree with Bro Highlife totally.

It seems that different people have different perception of what respect means. Actually bro 7even... when you said you won't force the WLs to do what they dislike, it is already a form of respect. There are always some bastards who think their money is damn bigfuck and want to demand this, demand that even though the WL is not willing. Those deserve to be screwed.

Fact of the matter is that it is a transaction. Make no mistake. Cheongsters should not be out there looking for love. The girls sell their body, we pay for the sex. Pure and simple. But we should appreciate the fact the job they are doing is not an easy one. Sure, it is lucrative and all of them do it for the sake of money. But it's still a job nonetheless. Some of the ang pais service more than 10 men a day. It is both physically and mentally challenging. It's a matter of luck for them too, since some men are more bastard while others are more gentle.

And what bro Highlife mentioned is very true. They are human and you cannot expect them to treat every customer in exactly the same way. Some do receive "extras" during the sex because they manage to click with WL. Consider that good fortune and nothing else.

This brings about my point about FRs. What is the purpose of FR bearing in mind the repercussions that can result from having the information on public domain. Each sex transaction is unique and if we publish the sex encounter in a vividly detailed manner, complete with all the "extras", what can happen? Unrealistic raising of expectations. Other customers want the same although the WL may not want to give. Customer end up unhappy. I believe that's why bro Highlife said that it should be private and confidential. And I agree with him completely.

Personally, my FRs describe the physical traits of the WLs, the general level of service and attitude and the common techniques applied. Even then, it has been challenging for me to draw the proper line between what is appropriate info and what is excessive.

The purpose of the forum is to allow sharing of info so that samsters like us and have a better idea which are better locations, which are the better WLs. Keep the info simple and avoid unnecessary raising of unrealistic expectations. That's the policy I behold.

However, this is a free forum and I also agree that samsters have the liberty to post whatever they like. There's nothing stopping them, really, unless it is vulgar or what. I can only urge samsters to be more discreet in their posting bearing in mind the indirect consequences that could result from our postings. Make no mistake. This is a damn powerful forum.

[WWEF]

Originally Posted by infinitiumus

Either to ask the price up front - basically u will then be treated like a newbie and "may" be charged the higher $150 or just pay $120 without asking.

I guess i will still be asking for the price beforehand bcos, like buying and selling, we have got to noe the price so as to accept or reject.
And wat if, worse still, after the FJ she still asked for $150, that bro, will be more troublesome than my case.
Anyway, it was nice to see that yr pts are better now even u dont really care abt them.You were Cool and cheers to u.
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Bro notsonewbird, even when u disagree with me in the beginning u did not abuse yr rep power and it was really nice of u. Cos of ppl like u, others can speak their mind freely.

Bro deanpaul36, u have lighten up my day and thanks.

[born_mean]

Originally Posted by WWEF

Anyway, it was nice to see that yr pts are better now even u dont really care abt them.You were Cool and cheers to u.

There are many good samaritans around who do not care shit about rep pts. What is more important is genuine comments/contributions. We may not always agree but that's what an open forum shld allow....a venue for mature discussions with different opinions.

Cheers,
BM

[Vectra]

Bro WWEF,
You are not telling the whole story in the beginning. 1st of ur post said that the WL do not lower the price. Then many bros joined in to point out that they paid $120 most of the time. Ur later post then clarify the WL did offer $120 but u already "bei song" liao...

I feel that the whole fuss is created because of ur "bei song" rather than the WL wanna "carrot" u!

[Wang Ye]

Originally Posted by 7even

Since you dont really know carnation very well, I think it will be advisable for you to spend about 10 mins TKSS with her first before touching on the topic about sex. You make her happy she will make your bro happy too.

Agreed. I find the massage and TKSS at the begining helps to break the ice and warms the gal up to you. Likewise even when one becomes a regular always nice to go through it as a form of catching up.

[WWEF]

Originally Posted by Vectra

Bro WWEF,
You are not telling the whole story in the beginning. 1st of ur post said that the WL do not lower the price. Then many bros joined in to point out that they paid $120 most of the time. Ur later post then clarify the WL did offer $120 but u already "bei song" liao...

I feel that the whole fuss is created because of ur "bei song" rather than the WL wanna "carrot" u!

Hello Bro Vectra, i have already expected someone will question and axe me about the above inicident.I am more than willing to explain myself.

1st of all there was never any BIG FUSS in the forum, no form of vulgarities was ever used by me against carnation and other bros,wherethe they agree with me or not, on this topic. If u have followed the posts of the other bros regarding this topic, i dare say most of their replys are subjective.I only used "MotherFuxker" on the person who i tok wanted to pay 100 to winter.
Later that i realised that he paid 120 after carefully reading the post, n if any of the bros happen to be that guy, including bro VECTRA, i sincerly apologize to U.

I hope in the meantime u can read my 1st post again properly.
I have never said, what u have pointed out, that Carnation did not lower down the price.(1st post) In Fact I went on to explain tat i forget to in the 2nd post.

"Carnation, after knowing that i did not wan the FJ, actually offered it to be 120.(this i forget to mention in my so-called-FR)If u dont believe u can check it out with her yourself"(2nd post)

If I cause any misunderstanding, for forgeting to mention this, i say sorry.
BUT........
"I feel that the whole fuss is created because of ur "bei song" rather than the WL wanna "carrot" u! "
I WAS BEI SONG bcos i felt the WL wanted to "carrot" me.
AND I HAVE NEVER DENIED IT!!!!
AND I AM NOT GOING TO Apologize for that.
I AM HUMAN, LIKE U. And i can get angry, even by something U think is a small case.

Finally, in this SB forum i feel i have the right to point out my views, like u did.
Regarding this Carnation stuff, i dont think there was a RIGHT OR WRONG thing.You have your own way of thinking and i accept that.I hope the case closes here.