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07-07-2010, 06:43 PM
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Re: Liverpool Fc @ Anfield - Reds Supporters Gatherings
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Relegation for us is not really possible, but fighting to be in europe subsequently is a problem at the current state. RH is the last thing on my mind - an average management put into a top club is the last thing we need, but.....thats all we can afford isnt it. Let's see what how we gonna perform nxt season.. 
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07-07-2010, 06:44 PM
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ROY... WHO???? but i kinda hoping this will be an AVRAM GRANT event lar.. when Jose left Chelsea, Avram dont know who appear to take over the job.. to be replaced by a better manager later on.. so, hopefully, this is the case for Liverpool.. i mean, we cannot go into the season with no head right? so maybe this Roy can provide a short term cover so that the management can have a slightly longer timeline to appoint a better suited manager come mid season (if he sucks big time) or end of season when Roy brought Liverpool back to Champions' League (3rd or 4th ranking) and hopefully, new owners will come in by mid season or end of season to provide the new manager the war chest to bring in big names to Anfield!!! PRAYING HARD that it is how things are going to be this season!!! but bro hawksbay is correct, it IS going to be a long hard season for the Reds faithfull.... 
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08-07-2010, 01:06 AM
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will RH surprise us? unlikely, he's an old fashion english manager who play a boring, rigid & outdated 4-4-2... look which top teams actually play 4-4-2 in the WC? most team (spain, netherland, germany, even brazil) played something like a 4-2-3-1 formation (isn't it the formation brought in to liverpool by rafa!!??) sighed.... long season ahead... hope by the time new owners and maybe new manager comes in, it's not too late yet (worst scenerio is most big names would left by then)...
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08-07-2010, 10:16 AM
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No need to make personal attacks on RH - he has been at top clubs - top in their time and not top by brand name - by the first criteria, we won't be a top club as we finished 7th. To say he can't buy top players is just plain silly. Roy is not the most glamorous manager now but he is the one we need at least in the short run - to bring back the confidence that was lost last season. I wouldn't touch a lot of the so called young bright managers who have been mentioned in this forum. We are all rather sunk in this gloom over the future of the club, the ownership and the financial situation. But the appointment of RH is not the dark cloud you may think it is. Sound caution if you must but at least give the bloke a chance to prove his worth.
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08-07-2010, 02:41 PM
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Re: Liverpool Fc @ Anfield - Reds Supporters Gatherings
To a certain extent i would beg to differ.
Remember when Rafa 1st came and joined L'pool in 2005, his only credentials were the La Liga title (1x only) and a Europa Cup title with the same Valencia. There was no remaining big names in the existing L'pool squad (no Torres, no Reina), no european glory had been tasted by the then existing squad also, and in fact a very big name (owen) and danny murphy were actually "wanted out" (1 chose to go Real and the other was deemed redundant). And so b4 the start of 2005/06 season, many of us were quite half-hearted on the incoming season..but BINGO, we won the Champion League  So i do agree with bro rahl on this: at least give the bloke RH a chance to prove his worth.  yes, we may or may not end up in the top 4, but given the current situation with the 2 KNN owners, at least there's a guy out there who is willing to take a gamble to try to salvage this "sinking" ship..
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08-07-2010, 05:00 PM
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Yes bro, what we need now is to build a platform for success, that other managers and players can build upon. That's the greatness of Shankly although he was manager only for a relatively short time and Paisley won more trophies. We might see Jose or Fergie as great managers and they are, but will they bequeath a legacy for their clubs? Jose has simply hopped clubs. Even our great Kenny left us an ageing squad. In this regard, Houllier for all his failures gave us a professionalism and discipline in the team which Rafa built upon, which is still here today - cf. the spice boys before them.
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09-07-2010, 10:10 PM
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Re: Liverpool Fc @ Anfield - Reds Supporters Gatherings
Hi bros!
 just want to rant abit.. cause really pek chek by the way things going on at the club at this moment.. "Chelsea is looking to bid Torres for 30 mil" this is really a joke to me!!! kaozzz lei.. Fabregas is 50-60 mil.. Torres only 30 mil???!!! as priced as Steven Gerrard valuation? really  he is easily 70-80 mil player!! dont u guys agree?on the other point, it seems 95% confirm that Mascherano will be leaving us in the next few months. latest news from Soccernet said he is putting his transfer request soon.. this morning or was it ytd.. Glenn Ong commented something like "the Reds signed Jovanovic, while Man Utd looking to sign Snider.." i hear liao =.=" wa liaoz.. really going to be another hard long season enduring friends' stupid comment over why i still support my beloved Reds.. sigh..
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09-07-2010, 11:30 PM
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it's just the recent transfer rumours getting me a bit worried... well, as i'd said, i'm more than happy to eat my words at the end of season.... will always support any manager (had survived souness's day) or player who put on the famous red jeysey... hope RH will prove me wrong... 
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10-07-2010, 09:11 AM
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Glenn just a big mouth ass who cant decide to support Arsenal or Manure...  Anyway, Sneijder said he staying at Inter..
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10-07-2010, 12:19 PM
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Obviously a lot of mischief from the tabloids about transfers. Only when the Spain-Holland final is over, the clubs will begin to move for players in earnest.
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10-07-2010, 02:23 PM
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how nice if we can play d type of passing, attacking football Spain does.
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10-07-2010, 02:53 PM
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Roy buys average players... does liverpool have $$ to buy good players even if they sell star players (Mash/Gerrard/Torres)? be glad if he can keep them, if not after selling i think the management will take like 50% of the fees from Roy. he'll be better off keeping the current stars and bring in your so called average player to up their current game. big names guaranteed success? no need look far, just look at AA. surprise the fans in what sense? fans expect a boring game - but omg play like barcelona?! or fans expect mid table, but end up in UEFA or Champions league? efficient or style? tactics differ even against different team, let alone different leagues and WC. i only made this sensible comment because you sound too disrespectful to Roy and it is certainly very unfair to do so, no matter how frustrated you are as a Reds fan.
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10-07-2010, 03:26 PM
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let's hope none of our star players and young propect leave (except maybe macherona, whose heart is no longer with us)... and also manage to sign few more useful players...
and roy can motivate them to perform at their very best and surprise everybody (incl. myself) coming season... and as wat the chairman said, bids for our club shall come in mid-july... hopefully somebody (better owners) get us off the 2 yankees...
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11-07-2010, 12:25 AM
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Interesting article guys.
Roy’s Italian Job. But not set in Turin: Part 3 Part 2, Roy signed a contract with Blackburn in February 1997 to take the helm in the summer. Back in Italy, a wretched run of results had seen Inter’s title challenge fade and tensions were mounting behind the scenes. There was however to be no respite. Three days after the training room ground incident with Aron Winter, former captain and club veteran Giuseppe Bergomi made an impassioned plea for club unity and a public appeal to owner/president Massimo Moratti. He said “We live in an anomalous situation because the coach will be leaving. For me, announcing this farewell is not a problem, but rather gives a greater stimulus. But not all the players are thinking the same way. Say no more… The club now must be even closer to the team, we need them. I appeal especially to the president Moratti: try to ensure a continued presence at the side of the team, we absolutely need you.” This was an extraordinary statement to make – its encrypted signals gave indication of a fractious dressing-room and hence a coach who was no-longer in charge of his players. Was this a deliberate attempt by a player to undermine his coach? Well, it’s possible – according to Paul Ince, he (and then Hodgson) arrived at Inter with the players in charge, and Bergomi their leader. Yet, the Italian was now in the twilight years of a great career. With his form below-par, Hodgson promptly dropped a rather unimpressed Bergomi. Thus, did he still have an axe to grind with the coach? This however would seem very unlikely – Bergomi got back into the team in any case and, given he had spent his playing days exclusively at Inter, would surely have had too much respect for the club to prioritise his own personal grievances, a view subsequently supported by Moratti. As it turns out, Bergomi’s intention was to notify that, although the Scudetto was now all but gone, there was still a 2nd place (ensuring Champions League qualification) and a UEFA Cup left to fight for. Yet, achieving these goals would require everyone singing from the same hymn sheet. Nevertheless, the comments provoked an irate reaction from both Hodgson and other players, and required the coach to reassert his authority at a later press conference. In any case, after watching a day’s training, Moratti concluded that he didn’t need to keep a constant presence near the team. For the rest of the season, Inter soldiered on, continuing their unpredictable league form (although claiming a 3-1 Milan derby victory) whilst making it through to the final of the UEFA Cup. Here, they would face an unfancied Schalke side that had been the real surprise package of the competition. Amidst more catcalls, insults and a banner proclaiming “Tired of being ashamed, Hodgson go immediately,” Inter lost the first of the two legs 1-0 in Gelsenkirchen. In the return game, Inter played like a team beset by fear in front of their home crowd, lacking rhythm and imagination, whilst having Pagliuca to thank for keeping Schalke at bay. At last, with 6 minutes remaining, Zamarano scored to level the tie up. With extra-time approaching, Fresi was then controversially sent off for a second bookable offence. On the touchline, Hodgson snapped, angrily kicking the ball away in frustration. A man down, Inter rallied during the extra 30 minutes, Ganz hitting the bar and also being denied a clear penalty, which only multiplied the team’s ire. In the final minute of extra-time, Hodgson prepared for penalties, opting to bring Berti on for Zanetti. The Argentine didn’t realise the purpose behind the substitution, storming off in disbelief. The crowd sided with the player – cue more abuse for the coach. Hodgson, displaying the signs of a man who has lost control of his emotions, sarcastically applauded them back. The decision impacted negatively on the team’s collective concentration. After the final whistle, rather than focussing on the impeding penalty shoot-out, the Inter players (in particular, Zamarano and Angloma), with their anxiety levels now augmented yet further by the situation, were more concerned with becalming the hot-headed Zanetti. Hodgson walked across to assist, but was turned away, smiling nervously as he left. Eventually, order was restored when Zanetti ran over to Hodgson, apologised and embraced him. Unfortunately though, the mistake had already been made, the psychological damage had been done – Schalke triumphed. Zamarano saw his penalty saved, the result was ironically determined before Berti had had the opportunity to take his spot-kick, coins and bottles were thrown in Hodgson’s direction. By the next morning, with two league fixtures to be fulfilled and a Champions League place still to play for, a tearful Hodgson had concluded that he simply couldn’t take any more of the fans and their insults (as Moratti later said, “I found a man who was humiliated and destroyed”). He contacted the owner, and then met with Bergomi, Ince, Sforza, Pagliuca and Paganin, to inform of his immediate resignation. They all asked him to reconsider, but the Englishman was not for turning. As Roy himself explained, “I’m not leaving due to the defeat [to Schalke], but because my work in two years has only served to sow resentment…I think remaining in this situation would be counterproductive for you. So I have decided to resign.” Was it significant that Hodgson met with only five of his squad to offer the reasoning for his departure? Almost certainly – Bergomi remarked “If he had decided to remain until the end, the team would have been with him. I know that because I had also talked with some teammates” (a quote that dismisses the earlier notion that Bergomi’s appeal was a purposeful effort to undermine Hodgson). In contrast, amongst other things, Ivan Zamarano stated “I don’t think it’s the best time for such a decision.” In Serie A, Inter ended the season in 3rd with a record of P34 W15 D14 L5 GF51 GA35, their best finish for 4 years. Moreover, they had significantly cut the gap between themselves and the team at the top (just 6 points behind Juventus) from the previous season. Their defence again impressed (3rd best), but could only manage the same number of goals as in 1995-96, despite the (no doubt, heavy) investment in creativity and finishing. In addition to being UEFA Cup runners up, the club had also reached the semi-finals of the Italian Cup (as they had done in the year previous). Employing a fixed 4-4-2, Hodgson’s Inter played with the footballing philosophy that has characterised his managerial career – a short, quick passing team that required a midfield conductor to set the tempo (a job entrusted to Sforza, but who never settled in Italy), with emphasis on hard work and tactical discipline. As Gazzetta dello Sport put it, ‘electric more than eclectic.’ They were clearly well-organised in defence (as we’ve come to expect at Fulham), but lacking attacking flair (in his 2 full seasons at Fulham, the team were averaging only a goal per game, albeit with lesser players). I would suggest that the job Roy did at Inter was solid, without being particularly spectacular. A certain improvement in his second season after making some shrewd purchases, but was this merely how he ought to have done, given the players at his disposal? Consequently, without something tangible to show for his efforts, many an Inter fan would view Hodgson’s tenure as a failure. Clearly, he is a man who cares immensely about his work. Of that there is no doubt. But I also get the impression that he cares what others think of him and the quality of his work, i.e. he finds it difficult to reject criticism. This may be somewhat unfair; it may be the case that most managers would have succumbed to the constant sniping from fans, journalists and even at boardroom level (although not Moratti). However, there seems no doubt that all of the above ultimately became an albatross around Roy’s neck. This then led to disputes with players, and to a dressing-room of which he had little control. Moreover, it just adds fuel to the fire, provided by a quote from a senior player at Fulham in last week’s Sunday Mirror, that “He loathes confrontation and can’t handle egos and troublesome personalities.” The situation was presumably exacerbated by the early signing of his Blackburn contract (for similar reasons as to Keegan leaving Manchester City). Inevitably, his judgement over footballing matters was then compromised and eventually he cracked. His demeanour in the second leg of the UEFA Cup final had overtures of the irritability on display in Blackburn’s 4-3 home loss to Chelsea in September 1998. Then, two months later, Hodgson was sacked as Rovers boss. One final point to make is this: it has been reported that although Roy didn’t win anything himself at Inter, it was the basis of his team that went on to be successful. One part of this statement is true since Inter defeated Lazio to win the UEFA Cup in the following season and also finished 2nd in the league, 5 adrift of Juventus. But was it the basis of his team that accomplished this? In the summer/winter transfer markets of the 1997-98 season, Pistone, Paganin, Angloma, Ince, Berti, Sforza, Ganz and Branca all left the club, 4 of whom were bought by Hodgson. In the same time frame, Ronaldo, Alvaro Recoba, Ze Elias, Paulo Sousa, Diego Simeone, Taribo West and Francesco Colonnese (in particular) all arrived. In the league, under new coach Luigi Simoni, Inter collected 10 more points than the previous season, scoring 11 more goals (with Ronaldo in sparkling form) and conceding 8 fewer. In the UEFA Cup final, of the starting XI and 3 subs used, only 3 had been bought by Hodgson, a further 3 were already there when he became manager and the other 8 had been purchased since his departure. So, once again, was that really Roy’s team? http://www.empireofthekop.com/anfield/?p=17660
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11-07-2010, 12:37 AM
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Re: Liverpool Fc @ Anfield - Reds Supporters Gatherings
And earlier parts:
Part 1 http://www.empireofthekop.com/anfield/?paged=4 Part 2 http://www.empireofthekop.com/anfield/?p=17544
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